| Windows 7: Office 365, Google Docs go down again, could give pause to the cloud.. |
10 Sep 2011
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Office 365, Google Docs go down again, could give pause to the cloud.. Quote:
Office 365, Google Docs go down again, could give pause to the cloud-wary
Outages are becoming a distressing fact of life for Microsoft’s cloud e-mail customers, and users of other cloud services such as Google Apps. Two weeks of e-mail glitches plagued Exchange Online customers using Microsoft’s Business Productivity Online Suite (BPOS) in May. Office 365, the successor to BPOS which launched in late June, suffered an e-mail outage in August and then again last night and this morning.
Google Docs suffered an outage this week, and Amazon’s Elastic Compute Cloud infrastructure-as-a-service platform was plagued by outages and lost customer data in April and August.
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Nice little example of the clouds very large Achilles heel. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Systems by SmartEyeball OS 8 Pro x64 CPU i7 3770K 4.6GHz Motherboard ASUS P8Z77 WS Memory 16GB G.Skill Trident X 2400mhz Graphics Card 3x Gigabyte GTX 670 OC WindForce *TRI SLI* Sound Card ALC898 / 5.1 receiver/ ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x3 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung / "40 Sony Screen Resolution 5760*1200/ 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine MX Black // Filco Ninja TKL Mouse Razer Imperator + Thermaltake Theron PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Noctua NH-D14 Hard Drives 2x Intel 520 240GB (RAID 0) * 2x WD Caviar Blacks 2TB (RAID 0) * 2TB WD Caviar Black Antivirus MSE Browser IE, FF Other Info GT Extreme V2 Sim Racing Cockpit + 40" LCD and K/B Mouse stand ▼
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10 Sep 2011
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Of course, when you look at these services over a longer period of time they look pretty good. For example, gmail had an uptime in 2010 of 99.984%. That works out to approx 7 minutes per month of services being unavailable. Quite often, personal users and businesses have FAR more downtime than this. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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11 Sep 2011
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Problem is that "The Cloud" is totally unpredictable ....you never know when that glitch or problem is going to hit and God help you if your data is only stored on the cloud. It might be gone forever.
Death to the cloud and internet 2. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number hp pavilion 6680t OS win 7 home premium 64 bit CPU core i5 760 Motherboard iona (from MSI) Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ati 5450 Sound Card real tek 888 |
11 Sep 2011
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| | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi 5,149 posts Hafnarfjörður IS |
Who needs the cloud -- this type of disruption will always happen !!! Hi all
To those who have 100% faith in Cloud Computing -- it will NEVER happen
There will ALWAYS be glitches- nothing to do with hackers / 09/11 incidents / terrorism etc.
There just ISN't and can never be a 100% robust safe system -- whatever the technology so long as it's managed by "Humans" and especially by Humans who haven't a clue about the service they are supposed to be managing.
In my experience 99% of projects fail --not because of the underlying technology or even the I.T staff working on the project but usually its because the management is so AMATEUR and overrule their own technicians without having a decent clue as to what they are doing apart from following some obscure rules sent out by some "Bean counter" from a remote corporate headquarters whose only worried about next weeks share price on Wall St.
-- I'm sure a lot of people on this very board have instances of having to undo screw ups caused by non technical management taking or worse still making technical decisions. BBC News - Microsoft online services hit by major failure
Cheers
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11 Sep 2011
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Guess what, failures happen at home as well as in the corporate workplace as well. This is no different. Except the amount of uptime in the cloud is likely better. In 2010, gmail was something like.99.984 uptime. That's an average of 7 minutes per month of downtime. That's very respectable. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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11 Sep 2011
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| | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi 5,149 posts Hafnarfjörður IS |

Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 Of course, when you look at these services over a longer period of time they look pretty good. For example, gmail had an uptime in 2010 of 99.984%. That works out to approx 7 minutes per month of services being unavailable. Quite often, personal users and businesses have FAR more downtime than this. Hi there
This type of Statiistic while nice mathematically doesn't actually bear any connection to a users actual reality.
If it's a Friday night 15 mins before Stock Market close and you are trying to get out of a "Bad trade" then if you can't access your service it doesn't matter an iota if the service has a relative uptime of 97% If it's not available when YOU want to use it then it's a problem.
While management can sit back and say we've kept within our "Service agreements" it's a very different story for the end user who DOES get a problem.
In my experience I've fortunately NEVER suffered an outage on a friday night when I need to exit a Bad trade using "Classical Internet" or typical online broker services.
I certainly wouldn't rely on "The Cloud" - especially as the servers just aren't adequately equipped to deal with possibly an almost infinite number of people attempting to log on at unpredicatable times especially when many 100,000's want to do it at the same time.
cheers
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11 Sep 2011
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 8,759 posts Northern Ohio |
I's simple for me. When Clouds are used you loose control and security. You make sure that updates are not done at crucial times ect. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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11 Sep 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 If it's a Friday night 15 mins before Stock Market close and you are trying to get out of a "Bad trade" then if you can't access your service it doesn't matter an iota if the service has a relative uptime of 97% If it's not available when YOU want to use it then it's a problem. Would that same thing not be true of your internet provider, your power in your home/business, etc? 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 While management can sit back and say we've kept within our "Service agreements" it's a very different story for the end user who DOES get a problem. And for some home users, if their computer went down and they didn't keep a backup they might be in hot water. If they had some stuff on a cloud, they might be able to access their data from a phone, from their game console, from an internet cafe, etc.
I'm just not in as much of a panic about cloud computing as many others seem to be. In fact, I already do quite a bit of cloud stuff. Lots of my contacts are in facebook, my email is in gmail, lots of pictures in photobucket, and other files stored in dropbox. These outside choices have been very reliable for me. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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11 Sep 2011
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 8,759 posts Northern Ohio |
Well I'm sure facebook Youtube and mail get hacked often. They are clouds. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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