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Windows 7: The Last Days of Windows 7

01 Dec 2011   #231
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

I've been teaching my Great-Grandson C++. He turned four last September.


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01 Dec 2011   #232
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Not bad I had to teach myself pascal , basic, python and c with only a few badly written books to aid me when I was in the 5 to 8 age range.
at least the little guy gets a head start with someone around to ask why.
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02 Dec 2011   #233
FranzB

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode
 
 

Look, you guys, you are all here giving help + advice. You all have 100's of postings, most of them in clean, understandable language. You are an exception! Most programs/applications are wrtitten for the average person because that's where the money comes from, not from a few like you. I am sorry but that's the way it is. I do not want to put the rest down; i am simply stating the facts of life. Read some forums where they talk about all kinds of things. The language is (for me) mostly garbage and i often cannot understand a word they are trying to say. Many of them can't even write a sentence that has a beginning and an end. On top of that the general feeling is that computers solve everything or at least should. My first experience with computers was in 1966 (when?) (IBM 360) and at that time there was this GIGO principle. Garbage In, Garbage Out. It's forgotten. The computer is the new Savior. A few buttons pushed and my problems are solverd, even on the social level. And if necessary a few emoticons are put in. That's the way it is. Period. It all has to go without any effort. But once again, who is to blame for it all? Not the generation that has to learn but the one that is teaching.
==(We probably get thrown out of this thread)==
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02 Dec 2011   #234
Corazon

Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit
 
 

Boy, do I ever agree with you FranzB...and it's all the fault of popular media and marketing and wanna-be techs spreading nonsense about how easy this and that program works and how it'll fix all your troubles "intelligently" and bad advice or downright false info...personally I think everyone should remember this sentence:

Computers help us solve problems we wouldn't have without them.

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02 Dec 2011   #235
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Corazon View Post
Boy, do I ever agree with you FranzB...and it's all the fault of popular media and marketing and wanna-be techs spreading nonsense about how easy this and that program works and how it'll fix all your troubles "intelligently" and bad advice or downright false info...personally I think everyone should remember this sentence:

Computers help us solve problems we wouldn't have without them.

Hehehe...

So many things are self-driven like that. What is the main topic of conversation on ham radio? What kind of ham radio you have!
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03 Dec 2011   #236
JerometheGiraff

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Stick with Windows. If you feel you are ready to go Linux and use Windows within a Linux enviro then fine. I just find they are making Windows too easy, I fore one am not getting younger and there are times that easy is helpful, click of a mouse and go. I like to know, if I want to make my brain think that option is there and even though I've never touched Linux, yet it appears linux is that route.

My first version of Windows, was Windows 3.1 with DOS so I am old school, I was on the Internet when it just started on dial-up for longer then most people and yes I was on BBS before the internet, when usenet slowly took over BBS. The only crutch I had with going High Speed was the price and still do.
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03 Dec 2011   #237
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Depends ...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JerometheGiraff View Post
I like to know, if I want to make my brain think that option is there and even though I've never touched Linux, yet it appears linux is that route.
Depends if you like spending hours fruitlessly searching the Internet for help.

I haven't found ANY Linux helps sites that are anywhere near as good as this site is for W7 help.
The members here have been able to solve almost all of my queries.
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03 Dec 2011   #238
msdos622wasfun

Windows 8 Release Preview x64
 
 

Is computing really getting "dumbed down," or is it just getting more accessible and user-friendly to the masses (simplified, easier to use, whatever) because there's a limit to how much technicality the average person is willing to put up with? I'll say it before, and I'll say it again -- if my grandmother was alive today, I'm not sure how long she would be willing to put up with the Linux command-line (I think Windows or even a Mac would suffice as far as presenting her with as much computing comprehension challenges as she'd have patience for).
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03 Dec 2011   #239
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

There is a reason Windows and mac OS became so popular in the first place.
...removing the need for users to understand command line is pretty much the foundation of that rise in usage
and actually brought the computer out from under the rock and made it accessible to those very people.

I will never understand exactly why linux fans are so die hard about this. Of all the fanboyism I've seen on the internet
Theirs has to be the most extreme. ...and that really is saying something.

I don't have anything against linux outside of a bit of annoyance it once caused me it seems to do it's job fairly well.
This constant insistence that it is just as easy to use as windows or even the super simplified mac os I can not support though.
It's a statement made by someone who doesn't realize how much time and effort they have put into learning the system.

Take an andriod phone for instance I just recently finally jumped on the bandwagon and got a smartphone myself.
No one had to tell me how to do anything with it. It was immediately so intuitive I only had to look up one thing (how to make the thing use the 16gig microsd I put in it instead of onboard memory)
...and even that the phone would have worked fine without.

This insistence that you only need to learn this or that to use it.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
People just want to turn it on and go about their business. I know we lose sight of that especially those of us that are basically chained to a computer everyday, but we've picked up things over the years that it would be ridiculous to expect the average person to know, or to even spend that much time on. I mean god forbid they decide they have a life they need to live instead of spending weeks trying to figure out how to install a single piece of software.

No there is simple and then there is dumb. I do believe there is a difference when it comes to computers.

Simple is when there is complexity, but it's been hidden for the sake of streamlined ease of use.

Dumb is insisting someone is an idiot because they don't want to spend a year trying to figure out how to do something they could otherwise do in minutes if not seconds.

/rant
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03 Dec 2011   #240
Vince53

Windows 7 Home Basic, 64 bit
 
 

JermetheGiraffe writes:

My first version of Windows, was Windows 3.1 with DOS so I am old school, I was on the Internet when it just started on dial-up for longer then most people

We started with Windows 3.11. Man, those were the days of real computing! We'd play Solitaire for hours, and we thought it was great.
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