The Last Days of Windows 7

legacy7955 · Sep 15, 2011

What I don't understand with you guys is we all know that Win 8 WILL have a traditional UI for the desktop, which my guess would be that it will be just a bit different from Win 7 desktop, so why the annoyance?

My only two questions are ....

1) How will having two UI selections affect the response on the new OS (slower or faster than Win 7) I would imagine that even if one of the UI is turned off it still might add some additional layer of code to the processes or not, can someone help me out on this.

2) Improving how reliable Windows Update is at cleanly installing updates without problems or failures on a system that is only has well known major programs on it and has not been compromised by Malware or had the registry screwed with by the owner.

WU just always seems to be the weak link IMO.

If anything I wish that MS would offer the user TWO methods of receiving a service pack..the traditional method of a single large update....or allowing by request the user to simply have access to the parts that make up the service pack in single updates or in a number of smaller increments ..

preiius · Sep 15, 2011

I used xp until earlier this year, after which I upgraded to win7. Glad I took my time to upgrade and skip the whole vista episode.

Win7 is snappy and supports latest hardware. I don't regret upgrading one bit. But does it make me more productive compared to xp, I don't think so. The fact we're using more and more web and 3rd party apps such as gmail, firefox, thunderbird, launchy and explorer++, has made the jump less jarring.

As more than one person has said, win8 is really win7 w/ tablet-friendly interface. So why would you want to upgrade on your desktop?

annabrand · Sep 15, 2011

feels like windows 7 been here 5 minutes, i can barely remember upgrading from xp

kronckew · Sep 15, 2011

windows 8 seems to be microsoft trying to play catch up to apple's iPad (or is it iPod, iPood, iPeed, iPaid, iPhoney or some such) and it's touchy-feely fingerprint on high reflectivity glass no real mouse, no real keyboard mobile cell phone approach. i'll be sticking to a real OS, win7, for quite a while. c'mon microsoft. try originality not copying. it ain't broke. don't fix it. i have a 'smart' phone which is more difficult to actually make a phone call with than my older non-smart one. i do not need another one making believe it's a desktop pc. i also have a quite capable dedicated e-paper e-book reader that fits my pocket, non-wireless, usb loading, and not tied to amazon or applestore, so i can get my books anywhere and load them on the thing freely. i do not need wireless book purchasing while i am wandering around the streets of london or waiting for a train at paddington station. i've got enough pre-loaded to last me a few months already. i suspect win7 will still be around when the iFad has ended.

msdos622wasfun · Sep 16, 2011

At this point, I feel like I'll have no problem patiently waiting for 8's release, since I'm so happy with 7 on my machines right now. But at the same time, I also have this strange feeling that the voice of my inner geek will grow louder and louder to the point where I will not be able to resist the urge to upgrade once that time comes, especially since by then we'll know more of the facts, we'll have a better idea of what 8's all about, and we'll have an increased appetite for something new in the OS department by that time.

legacy7955 · Sep 16, 2011

You might want to do a little reading on the sister forum EightForums...

I think unless some major changes are made there are going to be a lot of unhappy desktop users. I hope I'm wrong and MS will make major changes.

iRHardcore · Sep 16, 2011

MadSupra354 said:
Allot of people, including me, are keeping 7. IMO, the only thing that isn't perfect with 7 is it's looks.

I don't think Windows 7 looks all that bad, especially after installing a third party theme..

etacarinae · Sep 16, 2011

kronckew said:
I have a 'smart' phone which is more difficult to actually make a phone call with than my older non-smart one.

Hear hear!

TVs and Phones being touted as "smart" are misnomers.

iRHardcore said:
MadSupra354 said:

Allot of people, including me, are keeping 7. IMO, the only thing that isn't perfect with 7 is it's looks.

Click to expand...

I don't think Windows 7 looks all that bad, especially after installing a third party theme..

Agreed. I love Aero. I absolutely abhor this minimalistic approach with Metro.

jrr1957 · Sep 16, 2011

I just amonth ago gave up xp and went to seven. I think I will not be ready to switch again for some time. 7 so far seems pretty stable. Like every one else I will be interested to see what 8 has to offer. But I dont think it will be enough for me to make the change at least till its out a while and we see if its another vista. Like has already been mentioned they seem to have a pattern going. Every other os seems to be full of problems.

Heyyou · Sep 16, 2011

I upgraded to 7 64x when I got a new Dell back in April, retiring my XP Dell to the rec room. I really like 7. From the moment I set it up I haven't had an anxious moment with it. I can't even visualize upgrading to 8 until it's out for a year or so if it's indeed better than 7.

msdos622wasfun · Sep 16, 2011

Regardless of whether the new interface is a minimalist approach or has gaudy colors, is it fair to say that perhaps the new Metro approach with the Smart screen and the way applications are arranged by tiles and icons would be a better and cleaner way to organize all of your programs? Because in my opinion, as much as an improvement as the Start menu was over, say, Program Manager, it still can get pretty convoluted and messy once a large number of programs are added to it. Maybe this will ultimately be more logical.

Barman58 · Sep 16, 2011

The problem that Microsoft has is that the Touch Tablet, and like devices, are expected to become a major factor in the market in the next few years. Microsoft has to be in that market, or will suffer, the "One Size, (or Look & Feel), fits all" philosophy may be a good thing for Windows' future, as long as it is managed correctly.

The version available is of course a developer Preview, aimed at applications for the Metro interface so it is only natural that this build will concentrate and emphasise this new technology. I am sure that improvements will be made to the Desktop interface as the development cycle proceeds, and a choice of default interface will be provided

JimJoe · Sep 16, 2011

WolfSoul said:
"Last days".. is that a joke? It's barely a few years old

Its the planned replacement thing. Like a used car that is still running, go out and buy a new one.

lehnerus2000 · Sep 17, 2011

Giant Tiles

How many screens of "giant tiles" are going to be required to access all of your applications?

The "Start menu" is reasonably compact.
I've categorised mine (so it is small and tidy).
Of course that means that I have to do a few more mouse clicks to access shortcuts.

My most frequently accessed programs are pinned to the "Taskbar".
My frequently accessed programs are pinned in the "Start menu".
The rest are in "All Programs".

jimbo45 · Sep 17, 2011

Hi all
I remember when XP first came out how nearly EVERYBODY absolutely hated it and saud the would stick with W2000 or even the OS that most people probably called tghe biggest dog of all time : Windows Neanderthal or Windows NT - only invented to generate work for IT technicians and cause Maximum frustration to unfortunate users who had to logon to these systems.

Within a relatively short time XP had become mS's most successful OS ever - although W7 is catching up.

I think W8 will also be OK --it's available as a development preview now - link in the news section on this forum - and I'm sure people will move to it once it's stable and shows that it's even better than W7.

Some people will want things like Touch screen computing, far far better Video / Music streaming applications, cloud facilities, legal file sharing etc etc.

Built in Video and Audio telephony and Video conferencing should also be part of a modern OS too -- I remember Netmeeting in XP which was a decent application for its time. There aren't any decent applications on W7 yet for this without having to use some often not very reliabe 3rd party apps.

Currently running any sort of multi-media via the Internet on decent sized monitors is very touch and go both from the software and the Internet capability of supplying an adequate bit rate.

You can compress audio significantly -- although IMO anything compressed to less than 128 kbs doesn't sound very good but Video is a much more difficult proposition.

The Video server will need to supply a FAST bit rate -- the whole Multi Media centre in W7 really needs to be totally re-written. I suspect there will be a whole new part in W8 for this.

Cheers
jimbo

panais · Sep 17, 2011

xxxdannyxxx said:
Not sure I'll be making the jump to 8 too quickly. I like 7, it works, and for me has run without issue for 2 years.It will take some big improvements now to budge me off 7.

Danny

""It will take some big improvements now to budge me off 7.""

The same here!

Thanks JMH for keep us inform

Dave76 · Sep 18, 2011

Barman58 said:
The problem that Microsoft has is that the Touch Tablet, and like devices, are expected to become a major factor in the market in the next few years. Microsoft has to be in that market, or will suffer, the "One Size, (or Look & Feel), fits all" philosophy may be a good thing for Windows' future, as long as it is managed correctly.

The version available is of course a developer Preview, aimed at applications for the Metro interface so it is only natural that this build will concentrate and emphasise this new technology. I am sure that improvements will be made to the Desktop interface as the development cycle proceeds, and a choice of default interface will be provided

Exactly, this is an alpha version, specifically released for the Metro/tablet developer to build apps for it.

jimbo45 said:
Hi all
I remember when XP first came out how nearly EVERYBODY absolutely hated it and saud the would stick with W2000 or even the OS that most people probably called tghe biggest dog of all time : Windows Neanderthal or Windows NT - only invented to generate work for IT technicians and cause Maximum frustration to unfortunate users who had to logon to these systems.

Within a relatively short time XP had become mS's most successful OS ever - although W7 is catching up.

I think W8 will also be OK --it's available as a development preview now - link in the news section on this forum - and I'm sure people will move to it once it's stable and shows that it's even better than W7.

Some people will want things like Touch screen computing, far far better Video / Music streaming applications, cloud facilities, legal file sharing etc etc.

Built in Video and Audio telephony and Video conferencing should also be part of a modern OS too -- I remember Netmeeting in XP which was a decent application for its time. There aren't any decent applications on W7 yet for this without having to use some often not very reliabe 3rd party apps.

Currently running any sort of multi-media via the Internet on decent sized monitors is very touch and go both from the software and the Internet capability of supplying an adequate bit rate.

You can compress audio significantly -- although IMO anything compressed to less than 128 kbs doesn't sound very good but Video is a much more difficult proposition.

The Video server will need to supply a FAST bit rate -- the whole Multi Media centre in W7 really needs to be totally re-written. I suspect there will be a whole new part in W8 for this.

Cheers
jimbo

Very good points.
It is already evident that Win8 is much more than a new tablet UI.

Everyone needs to give it a chance, most new OSs are generally meet with steadfast rejection.
Change is good, Choice is better.

Why did MS release this alpha version to the public?
I hope we will see options that will let everyone get the OS they want.

WolfSoul · Sep 18, 2011

JimJoe said:
WolfSoul said:

"Last days".. is that a joke? It's barely a few years old

Click to expand...

Its the planned replacement thing. Like a used car that is still running, go out and buy a new one.

That is called marketing

IownAmoneyPit · Sep 18, 2011

The Last Days of Windows 7 for me would be:

A) My life cycle ends before Windows 7 life cycle

B) Both of my Windows 7 computers life cycle ends & installation media is lost or un-obtainable

C) Microsoft will actually release an OS that is much better and more intuitive than Windows 7 and I am constantly checking the future desktop gadget/app that is counting down the days until Windows 7 expiry.

Layback Bear · Sep 18, 2011

Other than marketing I really don't understand this touch screen thing for a PC or a Laptop. My understanding it will be built into Windows 8.
It takes more time and movement of ones body parts than a mouse or keyboard to get any thing done. With a mouse and keyboard you don't have to be within reach of the screen.

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