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01-13-2009
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CNET: "Will Windows 7 stymie Mac OS X's growth?" Quote: As of December, Apple's Mac OS X commanded 9.63 percent of the OS market, according to Net Applications, while Microsoft still led the way, accounting for more than 88 percent of the operating-system market.
But the real story behind those figures is Apple's meteoric rise in the market. Just one year prior, in December 2007, Apple controlled just 7.3 percent of the operating-system space--a record at the time.
There are numerous reasons why Mac OS X has become so popular over the past few years. Part of it can be attributed to Apple's success and its status in the industry as the most renowned and respected company to consumers. It can also be attributed to Mac OS X itself, which is easily one of the best operating systems ever made.
And most assuredly, part of the reason for Mac OS X's success is Windows Vista. Although it currently controls 21 percent of the market, it was a failure on many levels for Microsoft. Suffice it to say that compatibility issues, User Account Control annoyances, vendor and enterprise unrest, and poor PR contributed to the blunder that was Vista.
But now, as a new Microsoft operating system starts making its way to store shelves, it's incumbent upon us to forecast its expected impact. And after downloading the Windows 7 beta and immersing myself in its environment, I think I can say, both as a Mac user (I'm writing this on my iMac) and what some may call an Apple nut (I own just about every Apple product released over the past five years), Windows 7 will not only stymie Mac OS X's growth, it will push Apple's market share back down to pre-Vista levels.
Read the rest: Will Windows 7 stymie Mac OS X's growth? | The Digital Home - CNET News (IMHO, his fact checking needs a little work. But I posted the article as an example of the contrast between Vista and 7 news coverage...) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 (x64) CPU Intel Core i7 960 @ 3.8GHz (3.2GHz stock) Motherboard EVGA E758 X-58 Memory 6GB OCZ DDR3 1600 Graphics Card Powercolor AX5870 (ATI 5870 w/improved cooling) Sound Card Omega Claro+ Monitor(s) Displays 1. Acer P243W (24") 2. Samsung T260 HD HDMI HDTV/Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 x 2 Keyboard Microsoft Natural keyboard 4000 Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder PSU Corsair CMPSU-850HX Case Lian Li PC-K60WB Cooling Thermalright Venemous-X Hard Drives (1) 128GB Kingston SNVP325-S2 SSD for OS/Games
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01-13-2009
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#2 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-bit |
I hope so, Windows all the way! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit CPU Intel E8400 3GHz Motherboard Intel DX48BT2 Memory Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd. Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22" Screen Resolution 1680x1050 on two monitors Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve USB Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Thermaltake ToughPower 850w Case Thermaltake Armor Cooling Scythe Mugen II Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb Internet Speed 8128/443 |
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People will still want to buy 'cool' | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Me // Clevo Sager P170HM OS 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i5 2500K 4.6 Ghz // i7 2720QM Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Memory 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X 2133mhz // 8GB 1333mhz Graphics Card Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II // GTX 485M Sound Card X-FI Forte 7.1 + ATH-AD900 Headphones Monitor(s) Displays x2 Dell U2410 / 58" Samsung // 17.3 Matte Screen Resolution 1920*1200 / 1920*1080 Keyboard Topre Realforce // Ducky Shine Cherry MX Black Mouse Razer Imperator + Razer Lachesis PSU Corsair AX1200W Case Lian Li PC-V1020A Cooling Noctua NH-D14: 3x140mm Gelid Wing 14 Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB * 2x Samsung F3 1TB (RAID 0) * 1TB Seagate 7200.12 - Samsung Story 2TB USB 3.0 // 120GB Crucial C300 * 500GB |
01-13-2009
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#4 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-bit |
You saying Windows 7 isnt cool? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit CPU Intel E8400 3GHz Motherboard Intel DX48BT2 Memory Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd. Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22" Screen Resolution 1680x1050 on two monitors Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve USB Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Thermaltake ToughPower 850w Case Thermaltake Armor Cooling Scythe Mugen II Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb Internet Speed 8128/443 |
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#5 | | Vista Ult 64 bit Seven Ult RTM x64 |
Quote: But the real story behind those figures is Apple's meteoric rise in the market. Just one year prior, in December 2007, Apple controlled just 7.3 percent of the operating-system space--a record at the time. I predict to less than 7%. In other words regain everything lost by Vista's bad rep and then some.
Gary | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS420 OS Vista Ult 64 bit Seven Ult RTM x64 CPU Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2.40 gigahertz Memory Crucial Ballistix 4x2GB PC2 6400 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS 256 MB Sound Card Creative SB X-Fi audio Monitor(s) Displays HP w2207 + HPvs15 Screen Resolution 1680x1050 + 1024x768 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Mouse MX Revolution Hard Drives 2-WD5000AAKS-500 GB
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01-13-2009
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#6 | | Windows 7 /Windows Vista 32 Ultimate / OS X Leopard |
What I find interesting is that there are a few reviews out there that say Windows 7 still as slow as Vista and that is simply not true - before reading any reviews the first thing I noticed what the fact that windows 7 is fast, snappy and boots much faster.
Then, nearly all the reviews confirmed this to be true. So wondering if they are just anti windows.
That said, does anyone know if there is technology that won't allow you to burn certain ISO software if downloaded from the net? Normally I buy all my software if I like it but am wondering what this BIT locker is and how it works.
I think windows has a hit on their hands.
Hoping for this new job - fingers crossed, prayers appreciated guys and gals.
:-)
Been through quite a lot and hoping the breakthrough is coming soon. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Macbook Pro, Mac Pro (Hack), Windows 7 OS Windows 7 /Windows Vista 32 Ultimate / OS X Leopard |
01-13-2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 Beta Build 7100 x86 |
The OS is only one part of the Apple matrix. You have the hardware design, which looks better than most machines from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. You have the upscale shopping experience, which the average person prefers over Newegg, CostCo, or Best Buy. I'd pick an Apple Genius over Geek Squad any day when it can to tech support.
So will Windows 7 stymie Apple's growth? No, Apple will hurt their own growth with overpriced computers in a downturn economy. I don't think Win 7 will have any affect Positive or Negative. To people who don't know Windows 7, Windows 7 will look too much like Vista to be considered "fresh". People who used Vista and Win 7 however, will know just how much work has gone into Vista to fix its early problems and how 7 takes it to the next level. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell XPS 420 OS Windows 7 Beta Build 7100 x86 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Intel G35 Memory 3GB DDR2-800 Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9600 GT Sound Card Onboard SPDIF Monitor(s) Displays Panasonic TH-50PZ800U Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Hard Drives Hitachi 320GB
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I think also part of their recent success has stemmed from their complete domination of the portable music player (iPod) and the also-successful iPhone. People who own these devices might be thinking "Hey, this is actually pretty good" and then when it comes time to buy a new computer, Apple is now on their short list.
That said, Microsoft's dominance of the desktop market isn't going anywhere fast. Especially since Apple has always been anout the total experience from hardware to software. As Microsoft effectively has hundreds of manufacturer's installing their OS on prebuilt desktops, and Apple only has one (themselves), there's really no question there. Until Apple takes the PC model (which will never happen), they will never take over, and I don't think that's their intention.
All of that said, the release of Windows 7, I think, will only concrete Microsoft's position I made in point 2. In my opinion, coupled with an agressive marketing campaign (which has already started) to push this as "not Vista", this will stop Apple's current growth - but I'd hesitate to say it will decrease. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell 8400 OS Windows 7 Beta 1 b7000 CPU Intel Pentium 4 Memory 4GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD3450 Sound Card Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Monitor(s) Displays Acer AL2016W Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Dell Multimedia Keyboard Mouse Logitech MediaPlay Case Dell 8400 Cooling Standard Hard Drives 1x500GB
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01-13-2009
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64/x86 Windows 7 Pro x64/x86 Windows 7 Home Premium x64/x86 |
Apple is a toy. I've used it both th mac and mac pro. Their hardware is'nt worth a quarter of what they charge, and they improperly put it together to top it off.
The OS is the worse. There are more bugs then a amazon rainforest. Its total garbage. If Vista helped it, it shows how stupid the below average user really is and as far as I'm concerned 9% of market aint crap. With the release of Windows 7 Apple will be lucky to maintain 4% market after 6 months past final release. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number I trust nobody! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64/x86 Windows 7 Pro x64/x86 Windows 7 Home Premium x64/x86 CPU Intel C2Q 9650 Motherboard Intel Memory 8GB DDR2800 Corsair Graphics Card NVIDIA 260 GTX Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409w Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Mouse Razer PSU 600 Watt FSP Group Case Antec Cooling Fresh Air Hard Drives 10 of em! Internet Speed Fast enough |
01-13-2009
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#10 | | Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) |

Quote: Originally Posted by dalhectar The OS is only one part of the Apple matrix. You have the hardware design, which looks better than most machines from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. You have the upscale shopping experience, which the average person prefers over Newegg, CostCo, or Best Buy. I'd pick an Apple Genius over Geek Squad any day when it can to tech support.
So will Windows 7 stymie Apple's growth? No, Apple will hurt their own growth with overpriced computers in a downturn economy. I don't think Win 7 will have any affect Positive or Negative. To people who don't know Windows 7, Windows 7 will look too much like Vista to be considered "fresh". People who used Vista and Win 7 however, will know just how much work has gone into Vista to fix its early problems and how 7 takes it to the next level. I think this is a pretty good analysis. Apple designs nice hardware. Their systems cost too much for my taste and the closed nature of their environment keep me away, but their designs, both of hardware and software are well thought out. Say what you will of OSX, one thing it has is an attention to detail. It's not perfect, but compared to Windows, it is pretty close to perfect (in terms of attention to detail only. I got to spend a week fighting Final Cut Pro while editing a video at a friend's house. I could not believe how often the program was able to completely bring OSX down, and this is in a closed system environment. If you consider the infinite configurations Windows has to support, it's pretty obvious to me that the under-pinnings of OSX are not quite as well designed as the NT kernel).
I know a few folks who moved to Apple in the past year or two, and they are pretty happy with the decision (kinda have to be with what they paid), but still miss the little app they had for windows, that has no mac equivalent.
Apple needs to stay, to at least stimulate competition. I think XP, to some extent, and definitely Vista, have Apple to thank for some of the design and aesthetics. No, I don't buy the "Redmond, Start your copiers" line of thinking, but both companies rightfully see what works and implement them, and we the consumers benefit. That's good.
As far as picking Geek Squad over Genius Bar, that's like picking a turd sandwich over a douche bag (South Park Reference  )
PhreePhly | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MPC Transport T2500 Laptop OS Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN) CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5 GHz) Motherboard MPC Memory 4 GB SODIMMS (System Max) Graphics Card nVidia 8600M GS 256MB Sound Card Realtek On-Board Monitor(s) Displays 15.4" LCD with a Dell 2005FPW 20" attached Screen Resolution 1680x1050 (15.4") and 1680x1050 (20") Hard Drives Toshiba 2.5" 320 GB 7200 RPM CNET: "Will Windows 7 stymie Mac OS X's growth?" problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:36 AM. |  |