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Windows 7 - Can Microsoft cure PC makers of the crapware habit? |
11-21-2011
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 |
Can Microsoft cure PC makers of the crapware habit? Quote: Summary: It’s easy for an OEM to screw up a new Windows PC. Just add enough trialware and throw in a few unnecessary programs, and the customer gets a miserable out-of-box experience. Microsoft is trying to fix that with its Signature PC initiative. Does it work? And can it scale?
Building a Windows PC is a cooperative process. PC makers design and build the hardware, Microsoft designs and builds the OS, and then third-party software developers join the party. If everything works together, the end result can be a joy to use. But if any part of the partnership breaks down, the poor PC buyer is the one who suffers.
Making PCs is a tough business, with low profit margins and cutthroat competition. To squeeze a few extra bucks out of every PC they sell, some OEMs cut deals to make extra money by preinstalling trial versions of software. If they can convince you to pay for an upgrade to the full version, they make a commission. But those upsell offers (also known as crapware) are annoying, and in the worst case they can slow a PC noticeably.
On top of that, some OEMs feel compelled to “add value” to their hardware by bundling software programs and utilities that duplicate functions already available in Windows. And they can get downright sloppy about the things that really do matter, like updates and drivers. More... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number 76~1.4 OS Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 CPU Intel Core i5-750 3.84GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P, SATA 6Gb/s USB 3, f14 Memory 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance CL8 1.5v Graphics Card XFX HD 5770 1GB DDR5 Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 22" LCD Dell Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse CM Sentinel PSU Corsair HX650W Case Cooler Master Storm Scout Cooling Corsair H80 2x12cm Noctua NF P12 , 2x14cm case fans Hard Drives Intel X25 M 120GB SSD,
Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Internet Speed Dismal Other Info eSATA ports,
External eSATA Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200rpm,
External USB WD 500GB |
11-21-2011
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 |
maybe thats the cut throat idea needed "pay £20 more and we cut out the crap!!" | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD |
11-21-2011
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#3 | | win 7 home premium 64 bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 maybe thats the cut throat idea needed "pay £20 more and we cut out the crap!!" If I do buy an OEM I would gladly pay 50$ more for a crapless OS.
Are you listening HP? Meg how about it?
Your products are pretty good overall. The bloat sours the basic goodness of your PCs. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number hp pavilion 6680t OS win 7 home premium 64 bit CPU core i5 760 Motherboard iona (from MSI) Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ati 5450 Sound Card real tek 888 |
11-21-2011
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#4 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1. |
Nice article.
Thanks Dave.
Must admit it has driven me bonkers having to get rid of the unwanted bloatware / stuff from the {seven} new HP laptops purchased over the last ten years.
Would be prepared to pay more for less anytime!
Having to do a Clean install on a brand new Lappy really sucks! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number LAPTOP. HP Pavilion dv7-4010TX . OS Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1. CPU Intel i7 -720QM.[1.6GHz Turbo Boost 2.8GHz. 6MB Cache.] Memory 8 DDR 3 RAM. 1066MHZ Graphics Card ATI 1024 MB. DDR3. Radeon HD5650 Monitor(s) Displays 17.3" High Definition Brightview LCD. LED Backlit. Screen Resolution 1600 x 900. Mouse Logitech Anywhere mouse. MX. Case Laptop / notebook. Hard Drives 640GB Internet Speed ADSL [ but too slow ] |
11-21-2011
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#5 | | DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro |

Quote: Originally Posted by legacy7955 
Quote: Originally Posted by badger906 maybe thats the cut throat idea needed "pay £20 more and we cut out the crap!!" If I do buy an OEM I would gladly pay 50$ more for a crapless OS.
Are you listening HP? Meg how about it?
Your products are pretty good overall. The bloat sours the basic goodness of your PCs. Well perhaps not $50 but something as the bloat on a friends new netbook I am setting up is driving me potty(er)
I though I saw a bloat killing app in here somewhere though I can't remember just where. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Prebuilt Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 New build OS DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro CPU Desk1 AMD Athlon 245 / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Gigabyte MA78LMT / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 4Gb / Desk2 12GB / Laptop 4Gb Graphics Card Integrated Desk1 & Laptop / Desktop2 plus Radeon HD5450 Sound Card Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays DEsk1 21.5 Acer / Desk2 Benq 2440 24" / Laptop 17.5" Keyboard MS wireless desktop1 & 2 - M$ 1000 Mouse MS 1000 wireless both Desktops - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk1 generic / Laptop ? Toshiba / Desk2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Gigabyte GZ-M2 ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung HD502HJ ATA desktop
Toshiba MX-5055GSX
Desk2 Seagate (blue) Barracuda 1TB Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info 12 usb ports on desktop -Seagate 500Gb external - desktop 2 usb ports 1 eSATA/usb port / ethernet WD 320Gb - laptop
7 usb g hub on laptop 4 port usb hub on desktop
DVI vid connection to monitor - desktop. New build 14 USB (2x3.0)
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MP550 MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2 |
11-22-2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit |
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom-built OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 32-bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz, overclocked to 2.7GHz Motherboard Asus PL5D2 Memory 3GB DDR2-667 (2x1GB + 2x512MB in dual-channel config) Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card on-board Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays LG W2261 Screen Resolution 1920x1200 (DVI) Keyboard Standard Mouse Microsoft wireless optical mouse PSU Antec TruePower 2.0 Case Cooler Master Centurion Cooling various fans Hard Drives OCZ SSD Vertex Plus 60GB SATA (Firmware 3.55), 64MB cache
Hitachi HD321KJ SATA, 320GB, 7200rpm, 16MB cache Internet Speed DSL; ~700KB/sec down, ~65KB/sec up Other Info Have a laptop too :) (Compaq CQ60 also with Win7 Pro SP1 32-bit)
Drives in both systems:
C: - Windows 7 + apps. Pagefile is fixed size and located at the very end of the partition.
D: - various temp files/cache for Firefox and apps/games.
E: - videos, music, misc. storage, torrent downloads, etc. |
11-22-2011
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#7 | | DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro |

Quote: Originally Posted by Corazon Thanks Corazon will give it a burl | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Prebuilt Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 New build OS DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro CPU Desk1 AMD Athlon 245 / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Gigabyte MA78LMT / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 4Gb / Desk2 12GB / Laptop 4Gb Graphics Card Integrated Desk1 & Laptop / Desktop2 plus Radeon HD5450 Sound Card Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays DEsk1 21.5 Acer / Desk2 Benq 2440 24" / Laptop 17.5" Keyboard MS wireless desktop1 & 2 - M$ 1000 Mouse MS 1000 wireless both Desktops - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk1 generic / Laptop ? Toshiba / Desk2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Gigabyte GZ-M2 ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung HD502HJ ATA desktop
Toshiba MX-5055GSX
Desk2 Seagate (blue) Barracuda 1TB Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info 12 usb ports on desktop -Seagate 500Gb external - desktop 2 usb ports 1 eSATA/usb port / ethernet WD 320Gb - laptop
7 usb g hub on laptop 4 port usb hub on desktop
DVI vid connection to monitor - desktop. New build 14 USB (2x3.0)
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MP550 MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2 |
11-22-2011
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I just uninstall the bloatware... no big deal. If it means getting a bit of a discount on the system itself (as seems to be the case, especially with Acer systems - I got mine for a steal of $800, which anywhere else with the same or lesser hardware would have run into the $1,000+ range with inferior enclosure and the rest of it *CoughDellCough*), because installing that bloatware means the OEM getting a bit of kick-back profits from software companies out of it, therefore passing some savings onto the consumer, that's just fine by me. It's not like you can't ever get rid of it. It takes five minutes and a restart from within the Control Panel and really isn't such a PITA as with other things. I think sometimes we can be just a touch too picky and whiny about things like this.
Bottom line, if someone wants a completely bloatware free PC, then they should build their own and leave the rest of us out of it, who are willing to deal with the bloatware to save some money on the system itself. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Acer Aspire 5738PG-6306 OS 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Core 2 Duo T6600 @ 2.20GHz Motherboard Acer JV50 | Intel PM45 Chipset | BIOS Phoenix v1.21 Memory 4GB SDRAM DDR2 667 Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon 4570HD 512MB VDDR3 (2.25GB HyperMemory) Sound Card Integrated Dolby Home Theater HD Audio Support Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" LED backlight HD/WS CineCrystal w/ Multi-Touch Screen Resolution Notebook: 1366x768 | Syncmaster P2370HD: 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 3000 (USB) Mouse Logitech V220 (USB) PSU AC Adapter Case Blue Clam shell Cooling OEM Bult-in. Hard Drives Primary internal: 320GB WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0 @ 5400 RPM | Secondary external 1: 2TB Cavalry CAXB3702T0 @7200 RPM (USB 2.0) | Secondary external 2: 500GB Calvary CAUM @7200 RPM (USB 2.0). Internet Speed 31Mbps DL/25Mbps UL - Verizon fiOs/Netgear WNDR37AV Other Info EXTERNAL DISPLAY: 23" Samsung Syncmaster P2370HD | EXTERNAL SOUND: 300 Watt MX-KB30 JVC Stereo (AUX) | ROUTER: Netgear WNDR37AV 802.11a/b/g/n Dual-Band Gigabit | Satechi 12-Port USB 2.0 Hub | GAME PAD: SteelSeries 3GC USB 2.0 (JoyToKey Mapping) | DETAILED SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5265887&CatId=4938 |
11-22-2011
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#9 | | DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro |
Well yeah I did Evil but I still got the bloat with the OEM AND the Gigabyte board.
Unfortunately I am not that savvy to pick out what is bloat except for the Norton and really obvious stuff | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Prebuilt Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 New build OS DEsk1 7 Home pre / Desk2 7 Home pre / Laptop 7 Pro CPU Desk1 AMD Athlon 245 / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Gigabyte MA78LMT / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 4Gb / Desk2 12GB / Laptop 4Gb Graphics Card Integrated Desk1 & Laptop / Desktop2 plus Radeon HD5450 Sound Card Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays DEsk1 21.5 Acer / Desk2 Benq 2440 24" / Laptop 17.5" Keyboard MS wireless desktop1 & 2 - M$ 1000 Mouse MS 1000 wireless both Desktops - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk1 generic / Laptop ? Toshiba / Desk2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Gigabyte GZ-M2 ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung HD502HJ ATA desktop
Toshiba MX-5055GSX
Desk2 Seagate (blue) Barracuda 1TB Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info 12 usb ports on desktop -Seagate 500Gb external - desktop 2 usb ports 1 eSATA/usb port / ethernet WD 320Gb - laptop
7 usb g hub on laptop 4 port usb hub on desktop
DVI vid connection to monitor - desktop. New build 14 USB (2x3.0)
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MP550 MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2 |
11-22-2011
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by JMH Nice article.
Thanks Dave.
Must admit it has driven me bonkers having to get rid of the unwanted bloatware / stuff from the {seven} new HP laptops purchased over the last ten years.
Would be prepared to pay more for less anytime!
Having to do a Clean install on a brand new Lappy really sucks! You're welcome.
I use to just delete it, but then at some point decided to just clean installed.
All my OEMs are running clean installs now. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number 76~1.4 OS Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 CPU Intel Core i5-750 3.84GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P, SATA 6Gb/s USB 3, f14 Memory 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance CL8 1.5v Graphics Card XFX HD 5770 1GB DDR5 Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 22" LCD Dell Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse CM Sentinel PSU Corsair HX650W Case Cooler Master Storm Scout Cooling Corsair H80 2x12cm Noctua NF P12 , 2x14cm case fans Hard Drives Intel X25 M 120GB SSD,
Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Internet Speed Dismal Other Info eSATA ports,
External eSATA Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200rpm,
External USB WD 500GB All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:03 PM. |  |