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Windows 7: A look ahead: 2012 is Microsoft's turning point

10 Jan 2012   #51
Coke Robot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Why you people no love for metro

I for one think metro is not a mere eye candy for desktops and laptops.I mean just imagine the possibilities of live tiles showing you the most relevant info without launching any app/software.If developers really create more apps,we could "see" our mails,fb feeds,twitter etc etc right there on the main screen.Also productive applications can be launched/viewed directly from metro.

For those people who hate metro they can revert to traditional desktop by just one click.

Thats just my opinion though.If MS handles it carefully metro might truly turn into game changer.
I agree!


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10 Jan 2012   #52
Coke Robot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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i felt 2011 was apples year imo hopefully they surpass apple and Microsoft brings out some good products
Apples year for what? To offer 6 month old technology at twice the cost? The logo is a status symbol, catering to the non-tech savvy who don't understnd the specs of the computer to being with....or else they'd never justify the cost. All Apple does well is market to create a false perception.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! That's so true!

Noobs.....
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10 Jan 2012   #53
Coke Robot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Absolutely. For my data the cloud is no solution and I don't think the cloud will get much use from desktops.

But for running some heavy hitter applications from a phone or a tablet, it may be ok.
Funnily enough I agree with both of you.

It's strange how phones are getting "smarter" and yet there seems to be a push to make PCs "dumber" (i.e. more like terminals).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
As for the cloud approach, I doubt Microsoft will really pull a google chrome os on us.
The "Cloud" is the "Holy Grail" for software makers:
  • If you don't get access to the code, you can't pirate it.
  • They get to "tax" you every time you use it.
What's cheaper, renting a device (long term) or owning it outright?

Hi there
Depends on what you mean by "Pirating".
Have you ever heard of the term "Reverse Engineering".

In the early days of PC's when MS was still a fledgling company they designed MSDOS to run on PC's in a similar manner to the original IBM PC. Now IBMDOS in those early days had patented its BIOS .

MSDOS to be compatable had to "reverse Engineer" the BIOS so its own OS could make the appropriate hardware calls and perform in a similar manner to the original IBM DOS.

This actually opened up the whole PC market to 3rd party suppliers -- until that time IBM had a monopoly since nobody else could "replicate" the BIOS.

Today both parties would probably be emplying 1000's of lawyers and clogging up 90% of the worlds court system with obscure "Patent Infringement" cases but at that time IBM and MS actually worked quite closely together.

So if software is being used via the Cloud somebody somewhere will reverse engineer it -- most of the available multi media codecs (both audio and video) that many "Free" players use were probably reverse engineered -- for example if you mount ANY regional encoded DVD as a Virtual DVD drive as an ISO stored on a HDD or USB drive -- just a straight ISO copy -- no decryption / CSS removal etc etc VLC will play it without a problem whatever the firmware setting of your physical DVD drive has.

So the Virtual Drive Mounter can obviously dynamically change the "regional encoding" parameter at will. As this is 3rd party software on W7 there might well be reverse enginerring of the "DVD Firmware regional settings" depending on the DVD being mounted.

However on W8 developer preview edition there is a BUILT in ISO mounter and similarly VLC will play ANY region DVD that is mounted as a Virtual drive -- and I doubt if MS is breaking other people's copyright deliberately too.

However there must have been some reverse engineering here as well to allow multi region playback.

Cheers
jimbo
I doubt highly that's not Microsoft's approach to software. Of course one could pirate, but there are drawbacks. Firstly, morality of such. If that doesn't stop you, then there's the fact that the pirated software can be detected. If that can be outdone (as it has with Windows 7), you will not be able to connect to an online multiplayer for games, or certain software will not be able to be updated automatically without having to do reinstall the new software with a newer crack.If you're caught uploading software (P2Ping), your internet provider will make you go through some steps to re-enable your internet. If you're caught uploading more times, your provider will terminate your contract with them. Or, if the US congress decides to go with big business and industry, they'll just pass SOPA related bills to make every copyright violation removed from the interweb highway.

Microsoft has taken a passive approach to piracy with Windows 7 though. They'll actually allow updates, to a certain extent with the 1033 update, because if a pirated Windows without the latest security updates fell into the hands of a remote hacker/attacker, there is potential that an array of Windows machines could be infected with some malware to do whatever and that could spread to non-pirated copies of Windows.

I don't foresee Microsoft putting all their software in a cloud environment, maybe somewhat limited versions, but if the cloud rules, a whole computing industry will die. NVIDIA, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Seagate, Western Digital, Samsung, ASUS, Dell, and all their related manufacturers will loss a lot of consumer business. The only thing they could build are chromebooks. Bleh.
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10 Jan 2012   #54
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
The Weirdest Thing

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
I don't foresee Microsoft putting all their software in a cloud environment, maybe somewhat limited versions, but if the cloud rules, a whole computing industry will die. NVIDIA, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Seagate, Western Digital, Samsung, ASUS, Dell, and all their related manufacturers will loss a lot of consumer business. The only thing they could build are chromebooks. Bleh.
That is the weirdest thing about this "Cloud" nonsense, why aren't all the hardware makers campaigning against it?
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11 Jan 2012   #55
dreamer

Windows 8 Pro
 
 

Quite late to the reply.
@lehnerus we just have to wait for windows 8 beta to see whether the one click revert to start menu option is there or not.What developer version showed us was a taste of metro and how people will react towards it.

As for the productivity i would say yes.Imagine you don't have to launch any browser to check mail.It sits right there on your tiles and updates automatically as you get new mail.Clicking on tile opens your mail application.

Same goes for your RSS feeds,music,vidoes,netflix etc.The possibilities are endless IMO.This was never seen before on a desktop or laptop computers.One touch access right on your screen will definitively boost productivity.If developers work in seamless co-ordination with MS,even for industries or offices you can have one click solution to various tools and what nots.

Like with all new OS releases its the change behind the scenes that matters like faster boot up times,increased security,fewer hang ups or BSOD,adaptation to newer faster hardware etc.Look at windows 7 it is way better than XP or vista.In same way Windows 8 can improve on 7.
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11 Jan 2012   #56
Influx

Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1 / WCP x64 / Ubuntu 11 x64
 
 

Metro UI is just that UI that will look nice to many and bad to much, but will look bad to all afterwards. :/
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11 Jan 2012   #57
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dreamer View Post
As for the productivity i would say yes.Imagine you don't have to launch any browser to check mail.It sits right there on your tiles and updates automatically as you get new mail.Clicking on tile opens your mail application.

Same goes for your RSS feeds,music,vidoes,netflix etc.The possibilities are endless IMO.This was never seen before on a desktop or laptop computers.One touch access right on your screen will definitively boost productivity.If developers work in seamless co-ordination with MS,even for industries or offices you can have one click solution to various tools and what nots.
The thing is if you want those things, you can already do them, WITHOUT having to leave your Desktop.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dreamer View Post
Like with all new OS releases its the change behind the scenes that matters like faster boot up times,increased security,fewer hang ups or BSOD,adaptation to newer faster hardware etc.Look at windows 7 it is way better than XP or vista.In same way Windows 8 can improve on 7.
From my perspective (and I suspect some other people's) they are wasting time (and presumably money) on this Metro UI.

They could be using that time (and money) fixing up various glitches, performance lags and security vulnerabilities that exist in Windows 7 (i.e. so they don't exist in Windows 8).
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16 Jan 2012   #58
AllOnTheBus

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OS
 
 

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From my perspective (and I suspect some other people's) they are wasting time (and presumably money) on this Metro UI.

They could be using that time (and money) fixing up various glitches, performance lags and security vulnerabilities that exist in Windows 7 (i.e. so they don't exist in Windows 8).
I agree whole heartedly. I was one of the people who only had the
good fortune to come into contact with 7 about 18 months back.

I thought - hey - this is great - Vista with all the bugs ironed out
and then next thing I know 8 is on the way.

IMO Windows 8 is looking (and I only say that after viewing images)
like a cheap IPAD lookalike. I have to say that being the clean freak I am
I will have to have the dry cloth and monitor cleaner out every 5 minutes
due to this touchscreen garbage. Seriously, I would prefer to exercise my ring finger double clicking a program shortcut than that (my main mouse clicking finger was looking so fit and now it's gonna gain weight).

We seem to be getting lazier and lazier to the point where I await the arrival of the technology promised me in The Lawnmower Man. I do however want the model where I can lay horizontally on my king size and merely blink to communicate with my system should that become a reality.

Windows should be Windows.
Touchscreen - I'll buy an IPAD if I so please.
Linux - keep that as it once was to and that way we wont have to one day touch the shortcut icon on the Ubuntu desktop to open a Terminal that accepts commands through voice recognition.
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16 Jan 2012   #59
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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The Lawnmower Man
Yeah, that would be nice. A GPS controlled lawnmover that I can run from my desktop.
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20 Jan 2012   #60
Ravi5kumar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 / Ubuntu 12.04.3 x64
 
 

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From my perspective (and I suspect some other people's) they are wasting time (and presumably money) on this Metro UI.

They could be using that time (and money) fixing up various glitches, performance lags and security vulnerabilities that exist in Windows 7 (i.e. so they don't exist in Windows 8).
That's what I wanted from Microsoft. I hope Metro UI will be removed form the final version of windows 8!!
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