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Windows 7: A look ahead: 2012 is Microsoft's turning point

20 Jan 2012   #61
whs
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From my perspective (and I suspect some other people's) they are wasting time (and presumably money) on this Metro UI.

They could be using that time (and money) fixing up various glitches, performance lags and security vulnerabilities that exist in Windows 7 (i.e. so they don't exist in Windows 8).
From the MS perspective that is not so. The mobile market is a huge business opportunity that grows 10 times faster than the PC market. And up to now, MS is not really present in this market because they lack ARM support that 99% of the mobile devices require.

With Windows8, they will change the whole landscape. Apart from new users, they will chew a big portion of today's Android and Apple market. Plus, the ARM processors will migrate into the Netbook and laptop market which again is an excellent opportunity.

Qualcom alone makes 1 million ARM chips every day - and that is not counting Nvidea and the other manufacturers. Why would MS stand on the side and let the others take that share.

This is a graph that shows the growth of mobile devices in the first 4 years (Android and Apple only) versus the growth of the PC market in the first 9 years (Windows and Mac). And don't confuse inventory with growth. It is in the growth where the money is being made.




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20 Jan 2012   #62
jloc

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I don't like the cloud and I don't like Windows 8. That's just it for me, good old Windows 7 and good reliable hard drives.
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20 Jan 2012   #63
M1GU31

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I don't like the cloud and I don't like Windows 8. That's just it for me, good old Windows 7 and good reliable hard drives.
your forced to be on the cloud on windows 8? Never used win 8, this is why i ask. If you have to use the cloud then that just sucks.
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20 Jan 2012   #64
lehnerus2000

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This is a graph that shows the growth of mobile devices in the first 4 years (Android and Apple only) versus the growth of the PC market in the first 9 years (Windows and Mac). And don't confuse inventory with growth. It is in the growth where the money is being made.
So they are willing to risk alienating 1 billion existing users for 140 million new ones?
P*** off enough of your user base and they might just switch to Mac or (more likely) Linux.

That's not to say that MS shouldn't try to suck money out of the "fashionistas" (they obviously have "plenty to burn").

I'm not going to type Word docs, or create Excel spreadsheets, on a mobile phone.
Business productivity will drop to basically zero, when they replace desktops with mobile phones.

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your forced to be on the cloud on windows 8? Never used win 8, this is why i ask. If you have to use the cloud then that just sucks.
No.
Windows 8 still installs locally.

However it will probably only be a matter of time, before they try to release a "Cloud" only OS.
Hopefully the SOPA debacle will put a stop to it.
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20 Jan 2012   #65
whs
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
This is a graph that shows the growth of mobile devices in the first 4 years (Android and Apple only) versus the growth of the PC market in the first 9 years (Windows and Mac). And don't confuse inventory with growth. It is in the growth where the money is being made.
So they are willing to risk alienating 1 billion existing users for 140 million new ones?

P*** off enough of your user base and they might just switch to Mac or (more likely) Linux.

I'm not going to type Word docs, or create Excel spreadsheets, on a mobile phone.

Business productivity will drop to basically zero, when they replace desktops with mobile phones.
That will be a 140 million new ones (or more) each year. And there is absolutely no reason that one cannot use Win8 on PCs. Yes it is a bit different, but that is the exciting part.

And as far as Mac is concerned, that will be only for the rich people and Linux for the extra smart. And there are not too many around of either category.
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20 Jan 2012   #66
lehnerus2000

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Exciting = Awful?

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That will be a 140 million new ones (or more) each year.
That chart was labelled cumulative.
It also chooses a time span which suits the argument that mobile devices are the "bee's knees".
What would it look like if the time scale was 30 years?

How long before the market is saturated (just like mobile phones)?

Not everyone can afford to "waste" $500 on a glorified e-book reader.
If I (personally) had $500 lying around, I'd use it to improve my PC (graphics card and RAM) and external backup storage.

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And there is absolutely no reason that one cannot use Win8 on PCs. Yes it is a bit different, but that is the exciting part.
True, but it is awful (if you don't use the Registry hack).
I constantly had to switch to the Metro screen (or choose to populate my desktop with icons) to get anything done.

Thus I've used the Registry hack.
As a result, I have the productive "Dinosaur" Windows Desktop and "Start Menu" back.

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And as far as Mac is concerned, that will be only for the rich people and Linux for the extra smart. And there are not too many around of either category.
Apple might seize the opportunity to gain market share by lowering its prices (i.e. subsidizing part of the cost, by using some of the massive iDevice profits).

Despite its problems, Linux is getting easier to use.
If you only do simple things (e.g. start Firefox, send email or create simple docs) it is already adequate (i.e. you don't need to know any Terminal commands).

If Red Hat (for example) sensed an opportunity to expand, they might actually hire some more people to work on their GUIs.
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20 Jan 2012   #67
whs
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It is not going to happen. Macs will remain an elite club and Linux is too confusing for most people. Granted, if you do only very simple things, it is OK (but not with that extra slow FF - use Chromium). I happen to like the Terminal commands. But I have been a professional programmer all my working life.
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21 Jan 2012   #68
lehnerus2000

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It is not going to happen. Macs will remain an elite club and Linux is too confusing for most people. Granted, if you do only very simple things, it is OK (but not with that extra slow FF - use Chromium). I happen to like the Terminal commands. But I have been a professional programmer all my working life.
I have no speed problems with FF9 in Ubuntu 10.04 (of course I had to install it the hard way).

As you can probably guess, I hate having to constantly swap workspace/environments:
  • GUI to Terminal and back.
  • Metro to Desktop and back.
If I wanted to use the CLI constantly, I would never have left DOS.
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21 Jan 2012   #69
ionbasa

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It is not going to happen. Macs will remain an elite club and Linux is too confusing for most people. Granted, if you do only very simple things, it is OK ...
There have been rumors that OSX and IOS will most likely merge, but it doesnt stop there ! There have also been rumors that Imacs will get capacitive touch!
Then again these are just rumors.
As for linux I use it every once in a while for compiling, scripting, and general server use. My preferred Distros have always been Ubuntu and CentOS. I can say that being a Linux "Power User" has a steep learning curve, due to the fact that the terminal takes alot to master, This in itself will prevent many users from switching to linux in the first place, also linux has very little standards set in place, just look at all the different distributions.

As for Windows 8, I see potential, its just how MS decides to apply all of that potential that matters!
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22 Jan 2012   #70
jimbo45

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From my perspective (and I suspect some other people's) they are wasting time (and presumably money) on this Metro UI.

They could be using that time (and money) fixing up various glitches, performance lags and security vulnerabilities that exist in Windows 7 (i.e. so they don't exist in Windows 8).
From the MS perspective that is not so. The mobile market is a huge business opportunity that grows 10 times faster than the PC market. And up to now, MS is not really present in this market because they lack ARM support that 99% of the mobile devices require.

With Windows8, they will change the whole landscape. Apart from new users, they will chew a big portion of today's Android and Apple market. Plus, the ARM processors will migrate into the Netbook and laptop market which again is an excellent opportunity.

Qualcom alone makes 1 million ARM chips every day - and that is not counting Nvidea and the other manufacturers. Why would MS stand on the side and let the others take that share.

This is a graph that shows the growth of mobile devices in the first 4 years (Android and Apple only) versus the growth of the PC market in the first 9 years (Windows and Mac). And don't confuse inventory with growth. It is in the growth where the money is being made.

Hi there
Why is it so many companies make the SAME mistake over and over again. MS I think will avoid this particular issue however.

In the beginning the growth market is HUGE -- so they go all out and spend shed loads of money grossly expanding the business -- then surprise surprise -- the market has matured and growth drops from 85% to a more realistic 3 or 4% -- but this isn't making up for the initial HUGE investment incurred -- investors panic, stock falls and company possibly even goes out of business.

These companies never think about what do we do AFTER a market matures.

It's the same in retail -- in shopping malls and towns all over the place there were literally HUGE numbers of Mobile Phone outlets --- now every man and his dog has at least one and possibly 2 mobiles half these outlets are shutting down -- the replacement and upgrade market isn't a patch on the initial flurry when these devices were largely new and unknown.

Even some of the brand names sound rather pedantic nowadays --- such as "The Car Phone warehouse"--what's so special about a phone in a car -- these days it actually has a NEGATIVE connotation -- using mobiles in Cars even Hands free is in some countries and backed up by most University research programs considered to be at least as dangerous as driving TWO times over the standard European legal drink drive limit (2 times over 50 mg).

There's always a rush to hit to hit the market first, flood it to become an almost monopoly and then wonder why a year or two down the road the company goes bust because it's not making money anymore.

I LIKE innovation etc but some of our modern business models are MUCH TOO SHORT TERM. It's good to see MS looking for new revenue streams since windows and MS office products good though they are can't produce mega cash indefinitely.

You only have to look at the once mighty Kodak relying on the wrong product (printers now --total disaster to base any sort offuture on these as more and more documents - even LEGAL stuff is becoming electronic and Canon and Epson do printers much better anyway than Kodak.

Even IBM had to switch from making hardware "Big Blue" to providing services to continue as a top notch company.

Other companies beginning to get into trouble are : HMV (people are moving away from CD/DVD's and the market for Vinyl while there and is STABLE believe it or not) is specialized and very small,

WH SMITH -- large bookseller / stationer / etc etc. Nobody actually knows what this chain really stands for any more -- it's largely kept alive by its commercial news division (WH SMITH News) - media distribution / advertising contracts etc based in Swindon UK -- but I'll bet 99% of customers going into a WH Smith branch in the UK will never have heard of it.

Comet - part of Kingfisher -- sells basically White goods and lower end PC's -- this end of the market is hugely tapped by the Internet - people don't need expensive retail space as these Internet stores only have to ship when a customer orders. This end of the market too is now saturated and only supplying basically people who are upgrading their old machines / computers.

cheers
jimbo
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