| Windows 7: Thunderbolt Controller 10 Times More Expensive than USB 3.0 |
16 Jan 2012
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#1 | | 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 & Windows 8 Enterprise Texas |
Thunderbolt Controller 10 Times More Expensive than USB 3.0 Quote: The way in which we shuttle files back and forth between our mobile devices and home PCs is changing, but changing to what? Just as the SuperSpeed USB 3.0 spec gets ready to be baked in natively to chipsets from Intel and AMD, both companies are also looking at Thunderbolt (Intel) or equivalent alternatives (AMD), but where USB 3.0 has an advantage is in cost. Read more at: Maximum PC | Thunderbolt Controller 10 Times More Expensive than USB 3.0 | My System Specs |
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16 Jan 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP 1 |
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#3 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
USB 3.0 = $1, Thunderbolt = $10, a $9 difference. While I can understand how this would make a difference to a manufacturer, I really don't understand the last sentence of the article: Quote: In any event, do you think a Thunderbolt port is worth paying a $10 premium for? That makes it appear to be a significant factor for an individual's purchasing decision, but I don't see how it would tip the scales. From what I read, Thunderbolt is twice as fast as USB 3.0, and if that only cost $9 more, I have no doubt as to which I would choose...unless there is something else to consider. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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16 Jan 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
What would you plug into this new USB that would use the extra speed. Surly not a mouse, keyboard, printer or drive. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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#5 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
The article talks about file transfer speed. If one had an external USB hard drive, where they kept a lot of large files like videos, Then I would think that the extra performance would be quite noticeable. My video archive is connected via eSATA2, which is okay for one or two file transfer at a time, but when I have had to transfer a large number of files simultaneously, it can be quite tedious waiting. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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16 Jan 2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Is your hard drive able to handle those high speeds. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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16 Jan 2012
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#7 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
Never tried it, but I would like to. The worse that could happen is that it would bottleneck the speed. USB 3.0 max speed is 60MB/s second, so I would guess that Thunderbolt is ~120MB/s. That might push a SATA II's ability, but it shouldn't with SATA III. On my system, I wouldn't be surprised if some other component wouldn't bottleneck it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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16 Jan 2012
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#8 | | Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center 64bit Covington, La |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister Never tried it, but I would like to. The worse that could happen is that it would bottleneck the speed. USB 3.0 max speed is 60MB/s second, so I would guess that Thunderbolt is ~120MB/s. That might push a SATA II's ability, but it shouldn't with SATA III. On my system, I wouldn't be surprised if some other component wouldn't bottleneck it. Thunderbolt is 20Gbps or 2.5GBps which is a lot faster then USB 3 and is a transport medium and can handle multiple protocols like PCIe and Display Port. It just depends of the controller chip as to what protocol can be used. Future versions will use fiber to greatly increase the speed. You can daisy chain up to 7 devices (if i recall correctly) on one cable so you could have multiple devices running different protocols on one port on you PC.
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16 Jan 2012
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#9 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
It should be noted that the speeds that I post were in MBs not Mbps. I'm not sure where your numbers come from, because according to this article the max Thunderbolt speed is 10Gbps: Quote: Code-named Light Peak, the current copper-based generation of Thunderbolt boasts 10Gbps data transfer speeds between computers and devices--that is, twice the speed of current USB 3.0 throughput. Future iterations of the specification are expected to move from copper wire to a fiber-optic connection, which Intel has said could one day allow for throughput rates up to 100Gbps. Up to speed with Thunderbolt (week in review) | Business Tech - CNET News | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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16 Jan 2012
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You all ought to get your numbers straight, they are not correct.
The maximum USB 3.0 link speed is 5 Gb/s. The maximum throughput on USB 3.0 is 4 Gbits/s = 500 MB/s not 60 MB/s. You will probably get 400 MB/s at best in practice.
To Layback Bear - yes an USB 3.0 connected SSD or raid box can use all of that bandwidth. A single disk will run at full rate of ~120 MB/s instead of being limited to about 30 MB/s by USB 2.0, and it will be better for a portable hard drive in the end than eSATA as USB3.0 becomes ubiquitous. In addition, there are already USB3.0 jump drives available that can transfer at disk drives speeds - USB 3.0 has enabled this advancement.
EDIT: Compact flash cards now go up to 90 MB/s. USB 3.0 card readers (I have one) can read these out at full speed, which is great for Photographers with large images
Last edited by GeneO; 16 Jan 2012 at 07:10 PM..
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