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Windows 7: Data in the Cloud cannot be guaranteed to be secure


30 Jan 2012   #1

W7 X-64 W8.1 X-64 Opensuse 13.1 W2003 Server
 
 
Data in the Cloud cannot be guaranteed to be secure

Hi everyone
While This news snippet concerns a slightly different topic
but :

You can see what *Could* happen if the people who own the servers have legal problems with content.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16787486

-- users could be prevented from gaining access to LEGITIMATE data -- or at least they could be forced to wait until lengthy court issues had been settled before regaining access.

I think the case of data left on the megaupload servers should warn people about what can happen to data when it's entrusted to "online servers" whatever the content.

I don't have sympathy for illegal file sharing --that's not the point of this post -- but that a Court can seize data off a server and prevent users from accessing their own data stored on it.

Governments can make all sorts of rules such as "National Security" to seize a server -- even if the allegations are totally unfounded it could take a considerable time for users to regain access.

If this sort of practice can happen in the USA just imagine other places where "Democracy" isn't so open.

Cheers
jimbo

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30 Jan 2012   #2
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Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

I agree Jimbo, but the bigger question in my mind is how can my government arrest and prosecute foreign nationals? Frankly I think it's none of our business. We are guilty of illegal seizure in my opinion and maybe the owners of personal data will have some recourse against the FBI stormtroopers.

And there are still Filesonic, Uploading, Extabit, TinyPic, Photobucket, etc. ,are they going to try to take them all down?
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30 Jan 2012   #3

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

The government was not originally designed to be the watch dog and blood hound of any person, either individually or corporately. To prosecute a crime requires evidence. Unless that crime is against the government itself (like treason, etc.), that evidence must be presented by the accuser, not the government. Nor is it the government's job to acquire evidence for the accuser, unless it has already been established that a crime has been committed, but not a crime by some unknown person, but by a specific individual or group, which is clearly defined prior to any investigation. The government is not intended to be a pawn in anyone's pocket...as it is now becoming.
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30 Jan 2012   #4

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

I read an article that seemed to be saying, the US Government is going to destroy ALL of the Megaupload data (illegal or otherwise)!
Megaupload data 'to be destroyed': Could feds swoop on file-sharers? | ZDNet

If that is true, it proves that these new laws (Governments are trying to introduce) have nothing whatsoever to do with piracy.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Nor is it the government's job to acquire evidence for the accuser, unless it has already been established that a crime has been committed, but not a crime by some unknown person, but by a specific individual or group, which is clearly defined prior to any investigation.
Ever notice how the people that state that "the Government shouldn't regulate businesses", are the same people who demand that "the Government must enforce copyright"?
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30 Jan 2012   #5

Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

No, probably falls under the same sorts of clauses that allow the government to do what it likes with seized property used in the commission of a crime once the criminal case is over and the evidence is no longer needed - the government destroys cars, resells homes, and apparently can destroy servers hosting data. Welcome to your 20th century government handling 21st century issues, I suppose.
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30 Jan 2012   #6

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 
The trouble is ...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
No, probably falls under the same sorts of clauses that allow the government to do what it likes with seized property used in the commission of a crime once the criminal case is over and the evidence is no longer needed - the government destroys cars, resells homes, and apparently can destroy servers hosting data. Welcome to your 20th century government handling 21st century issues, I suppose.
The trouble is that is like the Government bulldozing an entire suburb, because one house hosted a drug lab.

I hope everyone who didn't have illegal content, launch a giant class action suit against the Government.
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30 Jan 2012   #7

Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Actually, it's not, but I get your drift. It'd be more akin to destroying an apartment building because of a lab in one apartment, but as I said, 20th century ideas governing 21st century realities - by the time the government catches up, it'll probably be the 22nd century and we will lather, rinse, and repeat with something else.
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30 Jan 2012   #8

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit)
 
 
Agreed

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
Actually, it's not, but I get your drift. It'd be more akin to destroying an apartment building because of a lab in one apartment,
They don't care how much "collateral damage" is caused.
Quote:
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The only problem was that the three enclosures worth of servers apparently included the sites for many more customers than just the one being investigated and DigitalOne is responding to the outages reported by those customers by letting them know that the FBI has those servers and there is no way that they can check on them, or do anything else with them, for that matter.

Despite their interest in just a single DigitalOne client, the FBI’s actions have affected “tens” of clients, according to DigitalOne CEO Segej Ostroumow. The FBI has not yet commented on their actions nor have they provided any way for the customers they were not interested in to recover their server data.
ZDNet
FBI throws a scare into datacenter service providers | ZDNet

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
but as I said, 20th century ideas governing 21st century realities - by the time the government catches up, it'll probably be the 22nd century and we will lather, rinse, and repeat with something else.
Agreed.
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31 Jan 2012   #9

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit SP1
 
 
Here's hoping for a class action suit...

I've used Megaupload for legit purposes for years.
While I understand that Megaupload was a dot com domain, and therefore technically under US jurisdiction, how can they justify arresting foreign citizens?

As an American citizen and taxpayer it is infuriating to see our federal agencies becoming puppets for the likes of the MPAA/RIAA. I'll be adding my name to any class action suit that arises, however i doubt it will ever see the light of day. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to get my taxes back that were spent on this "crusade".
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31 Jan 2012   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

This is THE Achilles heel of ALL cloud services and in the rush to embrace what has been heralded as the next great coming of the Internet people have failed to recognize this fact....whenever you allow/contract with someone else to maintain your data your are at that point vulnerable based on their performance or lack of performance not to mention reliance on their level of expertise as relates to security.....You always get what you pay for, there is a reason that the lowest bidder is the lowest bidder, a corner (or a few corners) will be cut somewhere.

Keep your data under your control, back it up and have a recovery plan in place....you will have no reason to loose sleep if you just remember these few steps. You can always share it in different ways but you can't always get it back once it is gone.

I just hope this incident will make people and corporations think twice about this rush to outsourcing of data storage but I doubt it will make much difference...when someone thinks they can do it cheaper by outsourcing then hell will freeze over before they admit to the downsides, having a recovery plan costs the money that outsourcing saves.....again, there is a reason that outsourcing costs less up front...it is the back-end costs that are cut and you never know until you need those back-end services unless you are professionally paranoid like most DBA's and Network Security Analysts.
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