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Windows 7: SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say

11 Apr 2012   #111
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post
For those on the fence, you may want to consider this:

1) How many people who currently have an SSD would not want to give it up?
2) How many people who currently have an SSD regret it?
3) How many people who do not have an SSD want one?
4) How many people who do not have an SSD have no plans to ever get one?

Compare the ratio of item 1 to item 2, then the ratio of item 3 to item 4. Then draw your own conclusion.
Good concept but where are the numbers. Can't do a comparison unless you can get a survey of a representable number of people.

Jim


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11 Apr 2012   #112
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
Good concept but where are the numbers. Can't do a comparison unless you can get a survey of a representable number of people...
Your wish is my command, Jim!

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11 Apr 2012   #113
lehnerus2000

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)
 
 

Those questions are dodgy (like a lot of the online survey questions I encounter).

I'd buy a new SSD tomorrow, If I could get 1 TB SSD for the same price as a 1 TB HDD.

I don't see that happening for many years (unless Thailand gets flooded out again, in a few weeks time).
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11 Apr 2012   #114
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Yes but you don't NEED a 1 TB SSD to get 90% of the benefit of having one. At least not in any machine that can have more than one drive... In fact SSDs may /never/ catch up to spinners in $$/GB. But that doesn't mean that they aren't insanely useful and can;t speed 90% of your daily operations up by 1000%!!!

And it is true that 99% of everyone poo-pooing SSDs are people that have never tried one and seen for themselves what a jaw dropping difference even a 120Gig can make on your system..
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11 Apr 2012   #115
zcwmeorp

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
But that doesn't mean that they aren't insanely useful and can;t speed 90% of your daily operations up by 1000%!!!

And it is true that 99% of everyone poo-pooing SSDs are people that have never tried one and seen for themselves what a jaw dropping difference even a 120Gig can make on your system..
I have two parallel Windows 7 installations, one on an SSD and the other on an HDD. With prefetching and other types of caching, the difference isn't really that great. It boots faster, but I only boot/restart once every few days. Apps only start faster the first time, because then they're cached for subsequent launches anyway.
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11 Apr 2012   #116
fseal

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Well when the difference between launching Photoshop after a boot is 20 seconds or 1.5 seconds. And when loading screens on games are so short you can;t even read the little hints they use to try to suck up time till the next level loads. The difference is night and day. Even more so for a laptop since those drives are so poor to start with.

But yeah if you only use a set number of programs and you leave your machine on 24/7 I conceed that it may not make any difference. In every other case, it's nothing less than astonishing.
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11 Apr 2012   #117
Night Hawk

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, W10 Preview - Second remote tower Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Those questions are dodgy (like a lot of the online survey questions I encounter).

I'd buy a new SSD tomorrow, If I could get 1 TB SSD for the same price as a 1 TB HDD.

I don't see that happening for many years (unless Thailand gets flooded out again, in a few weeks time).
Good point! Newer technologies always start off by keeping the price tags high to begin with. As for surveys they tend to be limited and not always the best way to compare.

Over time when moving through ide to Sata II and then comparing 7 on a Sata 3 drive at first before needing a reinstall when swapping brands of memory out despite the faster bus speeds there the difference wasn't noticable with the exact same apps on.

Now if OCZ or another better brand had had a 1tb SSD when planning this case out for what was paid out for a WD Black ed. Sata 3 drive I would have likely given it a go. But when simply seeing a 120gb going for the same or more then it was something to consider for the next build.
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11 Apr 2012   #118
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

So how would the critics have phrased the questions?

1) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and love it.
2) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and hate it.
3) I don't have the overpriced piece of crap, but being a masochist I plan to get one.
4) I am too smart to fall for what is obviously a trick being played on the simple-minded.
5) I like to vote in polls - look at me!

I think I can guess where the two "ain't got/don't want" votes came from.

You know what? You either have one, or you don't. You either like them, or you don't. If that seems dodgy to anyone, start your own stinkin' poll.
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11 Apr 2012   #119
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Certain usage scenarios won't have an advantage with a SSD. The majority of users will have a very noticeable increase in performance.

A 1TB SSD is not necessary, unless SSD and HDD price per GB is the same then why not, I don't think the price per GB will ever be same for both drive types.

The best way to go is have a SSD large enough for your OS and all your apps, this will yield the best performance per dollar.
Store all your data, pics, videos, movies, everything on a HDD.
I have been using a separate partition or HDD for data for about 20 years, the advantage is that if the OS needs upgraded or re-installed all your data is safe. This can be easily done by several methods.
Everyone has their own preferred methods for storage, if having one drive for everything is a requirement then, of coarse, a SSD is not viable.

The vast majority of people that were initially hesitant or against buying a SSD have the same reaction after getting their first one. 'WOW, a truly impressive performance increase' and 'I should have got one of these sooner'.
YMMV
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11 Apr 2012   #120
Night Hawk

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, W10 Preview - Second remote tower Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post
So how would the critics have phrased the questions?

1) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and love it.
2) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and hate it.
3) I don't have the overpriced piece of crap, but being a masochist I plan to get one.
4) I am too smart to fall for what is obviously a trick being played on the simple-minded.
5) I like to vote in polls - look at me!

I think I can guess where the two "ain't got/don't want" votes came from.

You know what? You either have one, or you don't. You either like them, or you don't. If that seems dodgy to anyone, start your own stinkin' poll.
Love it! Well put there!
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