| Windows 7: SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say |
11 Apr 2012
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#111 | | Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center 64bit Covington, La |

Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp For those on the fence, you may want to consider this:
1) How many people who currently have an SSD would not want to give it up?
2) How many people who currently have an SSD regret it?
3) How many people who do not have an SSD want one?
4) How many people who do not have an SSD have no plans to ever get one?
Compare the ratio of item 1 to item 2, then the ratio of item 3 to item 4. Then draw your own conclusion.  Good concept but where are the numbers. Can't do a comparison unless you can get a survey of a representable number of people.
Jim | My System Specs |
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11 Apr 2012
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#112 | | Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2 Westlake, Ohio |

Quote: Originally Posted by Phone Man Good concept but where are the numbers. Can't do a comparison unless you can get a survey of a representable number of people... Your wish is my command, Jim! SSD Poll - Vote Now! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self OS Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2 CPU Main - Core i7 2600K; 2nd - Core i7 920 Motherboard Main - Asus P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3; 2nd - Gigabyte GA-EX58-UDR3 Memory Main - 16GB Corsair Vengeance; 2nd - 12GB Corsair Vengeance Graphics Card Main - XFX Radeon 6870 1GB; 2nd - XFX Radeon 4870 1GB Sound Card Both: Onboard Realtek Azalia Monitor(s) Displays Main - Hann 25" + I-INC 25" + Acer 23"; 2nd - Upgrading Soon Screen Resolution Main - 1920x1080 (All Three Monitors); 2nd - Upgrading Soon Keyboard Main - Razer Reclusa; 2nd - Old MS Keyboard Mouse Main - Logitech MX Revolution; 2nd - Old MS Mouse PSU Main - OCZ 600W Modular; 2nd - OCZ 600W Case Main - Thermaltake Element G; 2nd - NZXT something or other Cooling Main - Corsair H80; 2nd - Prolimatech Megahalems Hard Drives Main - (1) Crucial M4 128GB (Boot)
Main - (1) Seagate 2TB 64MB Cache (Data)
Main - (1) Seagate 2TB 64MB Cache (Data Backup)
2nd - (1) Intel X25-M SSD 80GB (Boot)
2nd - (3) Seagate 1TB 32MB Cache (Data Backup)
2nd - (1) Seagate 320GB (Because) Internet Speed 20Mbps Time-Warner Cable |
11 Apr 2012
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#113 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) Adelaide |
Those questions are dodgy (like a lot of the online survey questions I encounter).
I'd buy a new SSD tomorrow, If I could get 1 TB SSD for the same price as a 1 TB HDD.
I don't see that happening for many years (unless Thailand gets flooded out again, in a few weeks time). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2) Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD6450 Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S23B350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24 |
11 Apr 2012
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#114 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate San Diego |
Yes but you don't NEED a 1 TB SSD to get 90% of the benefit of having one. At least not in any machine that can have more than one drive... In fact SSDs may /never/ catch up to spinners in $$/GB. But that doesn't mean that they aren't insanely useful and can;t speed 90% of your daily operations up by 1000%!!!
And it is true that 99% of everyone poo-pooing SSDs are people that have never tried one and seen for themselves what a jaw dropping difference even a 120Gig can make on your system.. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Scratch built OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU i7 960 Motherboard Asus P6X58D Memory 12 Gig Corsair Dominator Graphics Card Nvidia 480 Sound Card Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech G15 + N52 game pad Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Corasair TX850 Case Cooler Master HAF Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
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11 Apr 2012
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#115 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by fseal But that doesn't mean that they aren't insanely useful and can;t speed 90% of your daily operations up by 1000%!!!
And it is true that 99% of everyone poo-pooing SSDs are people that have never tried one and seen for themselves what a jaw dropping difference even a 120Gig can make on your system.. I have two parallel Windows 7 installations, one on an SSD and the other on an HDD. With prefetching and other types of caching, the difference isn't really that great. It boots faster, but I only boot/restart once every few days. Apps only start faster the first time, because then they're cached for subsequent launches anyway. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Professional x64 |
11 Apr 2012
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#116 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate San Diego |
Well when the difference between launching Photoshop after a boot is 20 seconds or 1.5 seconds. And when loading screens on games are so short you can;t even read the little hints they use to try to suck up time till the next level loads. The difference is night and day. Even more so for a laptop since those drives are so poor to start with.
But yeah if you only use a set number of programs and you leave your machine on 24/7 I conceed that it may not make any difference. In every other case, it's nothing less than astonishing. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Scratch built OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU i7 960 Motherboard Asus P6X58D Memory 12 Gig Corsair Dominator Graphics Card Nvidia 480 Sound Card Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1200 and 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech G15 + N52 game pad Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU Corasair TX850 Case Cooler Master HAF Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
HDs in AHCI mode. Internet Speed 15kbs down 4.5kbps up Other Info WEI 7.6
CPU & RAM 7.6
Graphics 7.9
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11 Apr 2012
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#117 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |

Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 Those questions are dodgy (like a lot of the online survey questions I encounter).
I'd buy a new SSD tomorrow, If I could get 1 TB SSD for the same price as a 1 TB HDD.
I don't see that happening for many years (unless Thailand gets flooded out again, in a few weeks time). Good point! Newer technologies always start off by keeping the price tags high to begin with. As for surveys they tend to be limited and not always the best way to compare.
Over time when moving through ide to Sata II and then comparing 7 on a Sata 3 drive at first before needing a reinstall when swapping brands of memory out despite the faster bus speeds there the difference wasn't noticable with the exact same apps on.
Now if OCZ or another better brand had had a 1tb SSD when planning this case out for what was paid out for a WD Black ed. Sata 3 drive I would have likely given it a go. But when simply seeing a 120gb going for the same or more then it was something to consider for the next build. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
11 Apr 2012
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#118 | | Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2 Westlake, Ohio |
So how would the critics have phrased the questions?
1) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and love it.
2) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and hate it.
3) I don't have the overpriced piece of crap, but being a masochist I plan to get one.
4) I am too smart to fall for what is obviously a trick being played on the simple-minded.
5) I like to vote in polls - look at me!
I think I can guess where the two "ain't got/don't want" votes came from.
You know what? You either have one, or you don't. You either like them, or you don't. If that seems dodgy to anyone, start your own stinkin' poll. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self OS Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2 CPU Main - Core i7 2600K; 2nd - Core i7 920 Motherboard Main - Asus P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3; 2nd - Gigabyte GA-EX58-UDR3 Memory Main - 16GB Corsair Vengeance; 2nd - 12GB Corsair Vengeance Graphics Card Main - XFX Radeon 6870 1GB; 2nd - XFX Radeon 4870 1GB Sound Card Both: Onboard Realtek Azalia Monitor(s) Displays Main - Hann 25" + I-INC 25" + Acer 23"; 2nd - Upgrading Soon Screen Resolution Main - 1920x1080 (All Three Monitors); 2nd - Upgrading Soon Keyboard Main - Razer Reclusa; 2nd - Old MS Keyboard Mouse Main - Logitech MX Revolution; 2nd - Old MS Mouse PSU Main - OCZ 600W Modular; 2nd - OCZ 600W Case Main - Thermaltake Element G; 2nd - NZXT something or other Cooling Main - Corsair H80; 2nd - Prolimatech Megahalems Hard Drives Main - (1) Crucial M4 128GB (Boot)
Main - (1) Seagate 2TB 64MB Cache (Data)
Main - (1) Seagate 2TB 64MB Cache (Data Backup)
2nd - (1) Intel X25-M SSD 80GB (Boot)
2nd - (3) Seagate 1TB 32MB Cache (Data Backup)
2nd - (1) Seagate 320GB (Because) Internet Speed 20Mbps Time-Warner Cable |
11 Apr 2012
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#119 | | Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64 Wanderer |
Certain usage scenarios won't have an advantage with a SSD. The majority of users will have a very noticeable increase in performance.
A 1TB SSD is not necessary, unless SSD and HDD price per GB is the same then why not, I don't think the price per GB will ever be same for both drive types.
The best way to go is have a SSD large enough for your OS and all your apps, this will yield the best performance per dollar.
Store all your data, pics, videos, movies, everything on a HDD.
I have been using a separate partition or HDD for data for about 20 years, the advantage is that if the OS needs upgraded or re-installed all your data is safe. This can be easily done by several methods.
Everyone has their own preferred methods for storage, if having one drive for everything is a requirement then, of coarse, a SSD is not viable.
The vast majority of people that were initially hesitant or against buying a SSD have the same reaction after getting their first one. 'WOW, a truly impressive performance increase' and 'I should have got one of these sooner'.
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External eSATA Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200rpm,
External USB WD 500GB |
11 Apr 2012
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#120 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |

Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp So how would the critics have phrased the questions?
1) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and love it.
2) I paid out the wazoo for an overpriced piece of crap and hate it.
3) I don't have the overpriced piece of crap, but being a masochist I plan to get one.
4) I am too smart to fall for what is obviously a trick being played on the simple-minded.
5) I like to vote in polls - look at me!
I think I can guess where the two "ain't got/don't want" votes came from.
You know what? You either have one, or you don't. You either like them, or you don't. If that seems dodgy to anyone, start your own stinkin' poll.  Love it! Well put there! | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:35 AM. | |