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Windows 7: SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say

13 Apr 2012   #131
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Horses for Courses

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
Once again it really isn't about the $$$/Gig
For me it is.
I have to save up for a year, to be able to afford to "blow" $100 on my PC.

I bought an external HDD for my PC (in January) because I had $70 in vouchers.
Without the vouchers, I couldn't justify spending the money ($119).

If a brand new 120 GB SSD cost $30, I'd be taking the bus, right now, to my parts suppliers shop.
At $240 $180, it can stay on the shelf.

I can't justify spending that sort of money to make Word start in 1 second, as opposed to 5 seconds.

My 20" CRT takes more time to start, than Windows XP(!) takes to boot up.
I spend hours looking at my monitor everyday.
I spend almost no time booting up, or starting programs.
A new high quality monitor is a higher priority for me, than an SSD.


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13 Apr 2012   #132
C32C3

Win7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I haven’t heard someone mention CRT’s in a long time. I have a 19” Philips CRT stuck away in a LARGE box in a storage room. I remember I paid a few hundred euros for it, ‘back in the day’, and because it never gave me a problem I just could not part with it.
Besides, it gives me a secure feeling to know that I have a backup monitor. I also have two computers that use single processors!

As for SSD’s my opinion is that they are purposefully over priced to generate profits and that they are intended to be only an interim step to whatever will shortly replace them. Hard drive manufacturers are not thinking one step at a time; they already know what will replace the SSD. When the demand and newness of the SSD is on the wane accompanied by falling sales they will introduce the SSD replacement; but make no mistake about it, they already know what the replacement is.
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13 Apr 2012   #133
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I did away with any crts back in 2003 when the prices first started to come down on then practically new lcds. Try about $300 for a 14" model back then!

For this build I ended up seeing two 19" models for $100 a pop due to a weekly sale on monitors a Staples store has regularly rather then ordering online. Almost 10yrs. later at 1/3 the cost and a larger screen to boot! Shop around a bit and occasionally you can run into a good bargain on one these days.
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13 Apr 2012   #134
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Same Problem

My cash problem applies to monitors too.
I can't spare $150 - $250 to get a reasonable size monitor (>=23", my eyes are shot).

I have to spend ~$2000 in the next few weeks to move house (new bond, utility bills, etc.).
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13 Apr 2012   #135
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That's whole different ball game there for sure! Once you get settled in the first item as far as any hardware would be replacing the monitor over a few seconds gained in boot times!

I have a friend who runs with a 24" but keeps the screen res low so everthing is enlarged when viewed onscreen. Of course it also makes a bit harder when trying to help him through any problems when you can only see "part of" one window opened rather then room for viewing two!

The best time for actually looking into any SSD is actually when first planning out a new build. That allows you to calculate the higher tag into the equation for a rough estimate of the total ahead of time as well as decisions on what drives will go in since the smaller sizes for many implies the need for larger second HDs.
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14 Apr 2012   #136
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

Like all technology -- it depends on your needs, wants and cash availability. Some people buy cars that have a top speed faster than a Eurostar TGV train (around 300 Km / hr) -- when the max speed limit in most countries is between 110 and 140 Kph . You then have to say why bother.

I CAN however say that if you use computers regularly for any length of time the performance gained by using an SSD (not just start up time of the application) is ABSOLUTELY IMO WORTH EVERY CENT.

I use photoshop and EXCEL nearly every day -- and here I can tell the difference instantly when working on even a more powerful machine that has only spinners in it.

If you've never tried one I suggest DO NOT try one UNLESS you can afford to get an SSD -- once you've installed one there IS NO GOING BACK.!! You've been warned !!!.

Cheers
jimbo
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14 Apr 2012   #137
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

jimbo are you using virtual memory on the SSD?
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14 Apr 2012   #138
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
I assume the paging / system files are all on the SSD -- I installed W8 CP to the SSD as the "C" drive before I re-partitioned it to hold a SMALL amount of user data on a small 20 GB "D" partition (It's a laptop so it's useful to have SOME data stored in the computer -- otherwise I'm happy to use USB sticks / 500GB ext usb drive for "portable" data.

Photoshop scratch file is also on the SSD. SSD "C" partition is 100 GB, "D" partition 20GB. The OS itself uses around 48 GB. Photoshop files can get quite large so that's why I've got a lot of space left on "C".

Cheers
jimbo
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14 Apr 2012   #139
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Hi jimbo You know that having a swop file on SSD is going to thrash the SSD. SSD's aren't know for there longevity yet. Take a look at the memory usage with photoshop running and see if you can have it run in memory
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14 Apr 2012   #140
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Iforgot View Post
Hi jimbo You know that having a swop file on SSD is going to thrash the SSD. SSD's aren't know for there longevity yet. Take a look at the memory usage with photoshop running and see if you can have it run in memory

Hi there

Fine by me -- the speed is well worth cost of getting another one if it fails --and with 8GB RAM on the laptop any swapping is fairly minimal.

Shortage of RAM will cause disks to be used more. Once the OS has set up all the page segments and done it's mapping then running typical apps on a laptop with 8GB RAM doesn't make for heavy I/O.

The only time I need serious Photoshop scratch files is if I've got a Pro digital camera digital shot where I want to print A3+ or even A2 at Pro quality and am doing loads of "layers".

Cheers
jimbo
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