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Windows 7 - SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say |
02-22-2012
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#51 | | Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 |
Agree, you can't OC CPU or RAM enough to get even close to the performance you get from a SSD.
The SSD life expectancy for the average user is 10-20 years or more.
There are independent write testing going on now that back up these claims.
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number 76~1.4 OS Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 CP x64 CPU Intel Core i5-750 3.84GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P, SATA 6Gb/s USB 3, f14 Memory 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance CL8 1.5v Graphics Card XFX HD 5770 1GB DDR5 Sound Card Realtek HD Audio ALC889 Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 22" LCD Dell Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech Wave Mouse CM Sentinel PSU Corsair HX650W Case Cooler Master Storm Scout Cooling Corsair H80 2x12cm Noctua NF P12 , 2x14cm case fans Hard Drives Intel X25 M 120GB SSD,
Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Internet Speed Dismal Other Info eSATA ports,
External eSATA Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200rpm,
External USB WD 500GB |
02-22-2012
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#52 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Ubuntu 10.04 |
Degradation 
Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol What I don't understand is how they wear out by writes and rewrites I mean nothing actually moves except the charge on a few million caps? The "Write" process causes degradation of the memory location.
Wikipedia Flash memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Ubuntu 10.04 CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 4 GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Analog Silicon Graphics Screen Resolution 1600x1200 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11 |
02-22-2012
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#53 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview |
Another thing most don't realize about static memory type drives over mechanical drives is temperature changes being constantly seen over years. A mechanical drive has metal platters self contained in an air tight/moisture tight protection seal inside the drive casing where some of those old 20mb and 50mb hard drives from the late 80s early 90s are still in working order!
Would you trust the old 386's simm memory modules to be still good for refurbishing another old 386 after all these years? likely not! would be the answer most would give. SSDs are using the upgraded form of the same principles of flash memory and it's own vulnerabilities over time. Mechanical drives on the other hand may end up seeing bad sectors and a worn armature slapping up against the main spindle if it fails.
What the article is pointing to is what you end up discovering with any technology being the Pros and Cons, limitations as well as any gains, etc.
While going to look up some other information I ran into this blog from the University of Phoenix to add in here. Quote: Information Systems and Technology Articles Flash memory: When will standard hard drives disappear?
By UOPX Writer Network
| March 4, 2011
College of Information Systems and Technology
Nearly 20 years ago, Seagate® and Hewlett-Packard® launched the first 2.1GB standard hard drives. Considered monstrous at the time, these hard drives were at the cutting edge of technology, offering more storage than ever before. Decades later, portable flash memory is available in sizes of 4 gigabyte (GB) to 340GB and larger.
Whether you're storing music files, photographs, videos or your thesis written in Microsoft Word®, flash memory has become a preferred alternative for transporting files and storing data. In fact, with some forms of flash memory steadily dropping in price, technology researchers are wondering when standard hard drives will disappear.
The full article can be seen at https://www.phoenix.edu/colleges_div...disappear.html
Last edited by Night Hawk; 02-22-2012 at 10:59 PM..
Reason: Additional Reference
| My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview CPU AMD Phenom II X4 Deneb 3.4 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 8gb 1.5v Graphics Card MSI Radeon 5750 1gb Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen Screen Resolution 1440x900 native Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor Mouse MS Trackball Explorer PSU Corsair 750TX Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 15 Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade |
02-23-2012
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#54 | | 7600x64 ultimate, not SP1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp There's no comparison. I'd drop my overclock to stock and give up half my RAM before I'd trade in my SSD.
As for longevity, when was the last time you bought any hard drive with the expectation of still using it ten years later?  TITCR...
I've only OC'd my memory and OC'd the CPU in the past but setting up a 3 SSD striped array is by an order of magnitude the best thing I've ever done. Going from a 7200.12 to a Spinpoint F3 to a RAID 0 SSD setup has been amazing. | My System Specs | | OS 7600x64 ultimate, not SP1 CPU i7 930 Motherboard Gigabye X58A-ud5 Memory 12gb ddr3 1600 triple channel Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card Radeon 5850 1gb OC edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Essence STX Monitor(s) Displays Acer 24'', Dell 23'' display port Screen Resolution 1920x1200, 1920x1080 Keyboard logitech 2.4ghz wireless wave something Mouse logitech laser wireless mouse. PSU 700 modular Case Antec 1200 Cooling Promlimatech Megahalems Hard Drives 3x64GB Microcenter SSDs RAID0
1tb spinpoint f3 (system)
1tb spinpoint f3 (media)
1tb spinpoint f3 OSX
1x2TB WD green images
1tb 7200.12 (time machine)
2x 500gb western digital green drives for archiving,keeping install files. Internet Speed 50/10 Other Info 4 systems currently:
1. sig rig
2. 930 i7 x64 ultimate (backup, media center PC)
3. c314 2gb ram tablet 7600 ultimate
4. athlon 6000+ home server (still in progress)
5. ipad for on the go |
02-23-2012
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#55 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit w/ SP1 |
Once you go to SSD boot drive and mechanical data drive it is hard to go back... the pros out way the cons IMO. I like it so much im going the same route with my laptop I just ordered with the same setup as my desktop, about 120GB for the boot drive (this time its a 128GB crucial m4) and a 500GB mechanical data drive, the best of both worlds. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A little Cyberpower / and a little me OS Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit w/ SP1 CPU Core-i7 950 Motherboard MSI X58-GD45 Memory 6GB Graphics Card EVGA Geforce 560 Ti x 2 SLI Sound Card Integrated HD Monitor(s) Displays 25" I-Inc iH252(primary), 25" I-Inc iH253 Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU Raidmax RX-850AE 850 Watt gold plus PS Case Cooler master HAF X full tower Cooling 2x 200mm Fan 1x 230mm/ Red LED Fan Hard Drives 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD (boot drive)
500GB Sata-II 16mb cache (data drive) Internet Speed Cable |
02-23-2012
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#56 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview |
No one is in disagreement about faster access times when running an SSD. Most will often elect to upgrade from one build to something newer within a 3-4yr. time frame as well usually going with a new OS drive as well if not simply moving drives into a new case for reuse.
The thing I look however is long term storage as well as capacity for work space on the OS drive and why a 1tb servers the purpose over a small SSD since prices for anything larger are still inflated. Flash drives use the same basics as an SSD would and I use those for various tasks despite their smaller capacity over a much larger hard drive even for running various OSs.
The cpu used here was initially tested and oced out to 6.3ghz and where it could still run stable but isn't needed since the stock speed was found to be adequate as well as the amount of memory and memory speed looked at when first building this case. If a 1tb SSD was seen for a reasonable price when first built a look at one for the OS drive would have been considered then. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview CPU AMD Phenom II X4 Deneb 3.4 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 8gb 1.5v Graphics Card MSI Radeon 5750 1gb Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen Screen Resolution 1440x900 native Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor Mouse MS Trackball Explorer PSU Corsair 750TX Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 15 Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade |
02-28-2012
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#57 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1 |
Well I am in the # 1 group but I must say that my boot times are lousy. 50 seconds to get to desktop on a P8P67 Pro .
I built a few machines and The fastest time to desktop I have gotten was about 20 seconds with a P8P67 using a corsair GT 120GB.
I have about the same boot time with my Lenovo Y70 that I swapped with a an M4 C400 256gb
I have 3 SSD 2 being 120 GB vertex 3 on a P8P67 Pro and using 2 Caviar Black 1 TB with another Vertex 2 60 GB.
Go figure | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1 CPU I5 875K Unlocked Motherboard P7P55D-E-PRO Memory Kingston HyperX Genesis DDR3-1600MHz 9-9-9-27 @ 1.65V XMP Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 570 HD 732 MHz GPU 1280 MB, 152 GB Mem Sound Card Onboard Via 1828S Monitor(s) Displays Samsung T240 HD Screen Resolution Dual 1920X1200 1027X768 Keyboard MS Mouse MS PSU Corsair Gold fully Modular 80 Plus 850 Case Coolermaster Half X Full Tower Cooling Noctua NH-U12P Hard Drives OCZ Vertex II Extended Sandforce SSD 60 Gig 2X WD Black Caviar 1 terabyte 6GBS Transer Sata 3 Marvell Chip Internet Speed Fast enough Other Info My fridge has a water tap |
02-28-2012
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#58 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview |
Initially when getting this case together I had 7 on one of the two WD Black Ed. Sata 3 drives but had to reinstall Windows over once the brand of memory was swapped out and ended up back on one of the two Sata II Black Ed. drives instead.
Did I take a performance hit? None seen! When 7 was in development MS took all these recently new hardwares into account as well as "trimming the fat" out of Windows so to speak. If you were running those back and forth with a previous version you would likely notice it more however.
Regardless of which drive or which version is run it still takes a full minute once you are at the desktop to see everything fully loaded, even more when you have numerous apps installed. For each system even when having the exact boot drive the start up times will automatically vary since two different machines will have two totally different sets of programs installed!
When swapping drives with clean installs you may have missed a change in what other programs went on first to some extent. And how well they went on is another item. You can reinstall Windows and all programs 10 times on the same drive and end up seeing at least a slight difference for each install. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode(VPC and VMLite), VM Player 4.02, W8 CPreview CPU AMD Phenom II X4 Deneb 3.4 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 8gb 1.5v Graphics Card MSI Radeon 5750 1gb Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen Screen Resolution 1440x900 native Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor Mouse MS Trackball Explorer PSU Corsair 750TX Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 15 Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade |
02-28-2012
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#59 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi |
Hi there
Most youngsters change their mobile phones more frequently these days than their Underwear -- so why people are so bothered with lifecycle times of SSD's is beyond me.
In the long term SSD's won't survive in their present form but currently if you DO use these the last thing to worry about is the read write cycle lifetime of the device.
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
02-28-2012
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#60 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
Some of us are not "youngsters", and even if we were, that wouldn't be a reason to act or think a certain way, just because it was the "in" thing to do. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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