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Windows 7: SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say

28 Feb 2012   #61
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there

just an anlogy !!

The point of the post was to say that in general an SSD will far outlive the potential life of the computer it's being used in -- even if you swap it into a new one.

5 or 6 years is probably far longer than most people would use the same laptop for. - Desktops are another issue but except for serious gaming / dedicated machines these are mostly on the way out anyway.

In any case always remember WHATEVER type of device you use -- ensure you take frequent, and accurate backups.

Cheers
jimbo


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28 Feb 2012   #62
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

http://www.sevenforums.com/hardware-...e-gaining.html
I have another post that gives a hint what progress going forward can be.
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28 Feb 2012   #63
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zardoc View Post
Well I am in the # 1 group but I must say that my boot times are lousy. 50 seconds to get to desktop on a P8P67 Pro .

I built a few machines and The fastest time to desktop I have gotten was about 20 seconds with a P8P67 using a corsair GT 120GB.

I have about the same boot time with my Lenovo Y70 that I swapped with a an M4 C400 256gb

I have 3 SSD 2 being 120 GB vertex 3 on a P8P67 Pro and using 2 Caviar Black 1 TB with another Vertex 2 60 GB.

Go figure
Might be that slow processor you have. Just kidding.
50 second boots on a SSD are pretty high but not out of line if you have a PCI card(s) installed. I was getting 18 second boots before I added an IR receiver and TV card. The boot time jumped to around 48 seconds. Some drivers and services take longer to initialize. So do PCI cards. Also, many large disk drives can take up to 15-18 seconds to spin up and ready. If you have any start up files on one, there's a built-in delay.

You can check the boot log and see what area is taking the most time. There's also software that will analyze your start up and make recommendations on delayed starts, etc.

Just think how long the boot would take if you didn't have a SSD.
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28 Feb 2012   #64
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zardoc View Post
Well I am in the # 1 group but I must say that my boot times are lousy. 50 seconds to get to desktop on a P8P67 Pro .

I built a few machines and The fastest time to desktop I have gotten was about 20 seconds with a P8P67 using a corsair GT 120GB.

I have about the same boot time with my Lenovo Y70 that I swapped with a an M4 C400 256gb

I have 3 SSD 2 being 120 GB vertex 3 on a P8P67 Pro and using 2 Caviar Black 1 TB with another Vertex 2 60 GB.

Go figure
Might be that slow processor you have. Just kidding.
50 second boots on a SSD are pretty high but not out of line if you have a PCI card(s) installed. I was getting 18 second boots before I added an IR receiver and TV card. The boot time jumped to around 48 seconds. Some drivers and services take longer to initialize. So do PCI cards. Also, many large disk drives can take up to 15-18 seconds to spin up and ready. If you have any start up files on one, there's a built-in delay.

You can check the boot log and see what area is taking the most time. There's also software that will analyze your start up and make recommendations on delayed starts, etc.

Just think how long the boot would take if you didn't have a SSD.

Hi there
I don't really think most people care about how long a machine takes to boot if it's percieved as "Reasonable".

1 Min or 2 mins really isn't an issue --especially if you don't boot that often -- and if you are at work you've usually got time to get some coffee from the machine while the system is booting anyway.

If it takes 5 Mins then "Houston ... We have a problem...." which an SSD isn't going to fix.

Once the OS is booted however you WILL notice improvements when using an SSD.

Cheers
jimbo
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28 Feb 2012   #65
carwiz

Windows 7 Pro-x64
 
 

When you go from 18 seconds to 48 seconds, I care.
But I live with it because of the TV and remote control capabilities. I was just saying there could be a reason for Zardoc's increase in boot times. Some can be fixed, some can't and our perception of reasonable changes.
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28 Feb 2012   #66
Palindari

Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz View Post
They already have! It's called "Racetrack" memory.

IBM Unveils New Memory Chip Technology - Technology News - redOrbit
This should be a viable alternative when I'm ready to change out my smoking hot SSD

Funny, when in the Army, I'm old enough to remember getting our first computer with the new TEN MEGABYTE HARD DRIVE! (que fanfare and drumroll) inside.

SSD - though new and still has some issues - so did hard drives. The only thing that saved them was avoiding the necessity of having to continuously swap out 5.25 floppy discs for storage. 3.5 floppies actually came of age later.

I've got one - I'm sold. But it will be nice to see this new Racetrack chip come to fruition.
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28 Feb 2012   #67
Palindari

Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I don't really think most people care about how long a machine takes to boot if it's percieved as "Reasonable".

1 Min or 2 mins really isn't an issue --especially if you don't boot that often -- and if you are at work you've usually got time to get some coffee from the machine while the system is booting anyway.

If it takes 5 Mins then "Houston ... We have a problem...." which an SSD isn't going to fix.

Once the OS is booted however you WILL notice improvements when using an SSD.

Cheers
jimbo
Speaking only from my own experience, about a month ago my HDD was flashing warnings every 30 secs (disabled it) then my access to programs slower down and waking up from sleep mode was taking up to ten minutes to complete - no lie.

Then pauses began to occur on programs. That was when I finally broke down and bought the Samsung 830.

Boot time to desktop is less than 20 secs from a cold start. Loading programs are as fast as my iPad. Honestly, it's a difference between night and day.

Will it slow down? From everything I've read - yes, unfortunately. But as a very lengthy article points out - even the most used SSD is still faster than a HDD.

Then there's the battery life extension plus for us laptop users and the fact that if you drop it - the spinning parts don't bite the big one (my guess is what happened to the original drive).

I see nothing but wins on the SSD front - with the exception of price, which like all things will drop as more competitors join the fray. Even HDDs were over $1 per mB and gB when they became available.
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28 Feb 2012   #68
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The hold for me besides pricing was the lack of capacity as well as who was making them brand wise. 120gb wouldn't cut it from the start here or even a 500gb OS drive.

A 250gb ide drive once ran for about $200. That followed an older 13gb drive that also caught about the same prices just a few years earlier. And now you see 500gb sata models for under $50! Rather then tossing a large amount for a small drive I simply will be waiting to see a 1tb model by a good brand to fall in price.

As far as longevity a great deal depends on how things are treated as well as the normal wear and tear over a long period of time. You can have one that will last 10yrs. or simply end up having one fail in 10 months time. Getting in there and blasting all that dust out will help as well as having good air flow going to keep drive temps down.
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28 Feb 2012   #69
Palindari

Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1
 
 

See your point. But if one uses a good sized SSD (120+) you still have ample room.

On my laptop I have an external spindrive of 500gB for storage, games and such. The rest resides on the SSD.

As for my old drive, it's still operational - it's the aforementioned external now - and I have a 32gB SD card as well. So when I'm out and about carting the Toshiba around, I have plenty of storage and when I get home I just plug my external in and transfer what I need.

Prices will be dropping. Hell look at last year at this time to now. Prices have dropped substantially already.

But to be honest - I'm truly excited about the new Racetrack chip by IBM. Now that may be the answer...
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29 Feb 2012   #70
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

120gb is far from ample here! My last system image came in at 492gb in size from the 1tb OS drive. Think that can restored to a 120gb SSD? I don't think so!

The idea of having a larger OS boot drive is called work space. With multiple VMs, video captures/editing, some CAD even along with other projects drive space is a commodity!
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