| Windows 7: SSDs have a 'bleak' future, researchers say |
29 Feb 2012
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#71 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Yeah well my 128GB (M4) is steadily getting slower - gets to the flag whereas it got to the blobs and then into it. Mind you once in it does plough from app to app quickly.
But I still reckon that for the money it's only minimally justifiable and mine is filling up real quick | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
29 Feb 2012
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#72 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk 120gb is far from ample here! My last system image came in at 492gb in size from the 1tb OS drive. Think that can restored to a 120gb SSD?  I don't think so!
The idea of having a larger OS boot drive is called work space. With multiple VMs, video captures/editing, some CAD even along with other projects drive space is a commodity! Think you may have missed my point. Glad to give you a laugh though | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba a665 Laptop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1 CPU i7 Q740 1.73 Memory 8 gB Hard Drives Samsung 830 SSD 120gB |
29 Feb 2012
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#73 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |

Quote: Originally Posted by Palindari 
Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk 120gb is far from ample here! My last system image came in at 492gb in size from the 1tb OS drive. Think that can restored to a 120gb SSD?  I don't think so!
The idea of having a larger OS boot drive is called work space. With multiple VMs, video captures/editing, some CAD even along with other projects drive space is a commodity! Think you may have missed my point. Glad to give you a laugh though  Not actually! Even a 256gb SSD would still be far from what I would need here. As for storage I had to add on an external enclosure for another 1tb drive to pick up where the pair of 1tb internal Sata 3 HDs were filling too fast.
Now for my next build that may see a good 1tb SSD host/OS drive but with an external fan cooled enclosure for 3 or 4 2-3tb drives!  I'll still keep a second internal drive however for testing purposes. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
29 Feb 2012
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#74 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |

Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk 120gb is far from ample here! My last system image came in at 492gb in size from the 1tb OS drive. Think that can restored to a 120gb SSD?  I don't think so!
The idea of having a larger OS boot drive is called work space. With multiple VMs, video captures/editing, some CAD even along with other projects drive space is a commodity! Hi there
the VM's can live on an HDD -- the MAJOR Performance problems for VM's aren't really I/O but RAM. If the host has plenty of RAM most VM's will be just fine on an HDD -- Of course if your VM's are being used by several clients (as servers) or if you are trying to run a lot of simulataneous apps then you could have a problem.
For Windows itself -- if you have a typical Windows 7 say Ultimate or Pro system with Office, Vmware / Vbox, Photoshop and a few other smaller apps the actual OS itself only needs to be around probably 50 - 60GB and that's quite largish.
That means on your 256 GB SSD you've got nearly 200 GB free for System paging (should be a MAX amount equal to the RAM size so tytpically 8 - 16 GB) and the rest available for photoshop scratch files etc etc.
You could even have a VM with a smallish amount of its OS space as one VHD and the other (data) as a VHD on a "Normal" HDD.
perversely (although it's "counter intuitive" an SSD won't really help you much in Multi-media editing since a lot of the time it's HUMAN intervention and keyboard / mouse actions - the initial file load will be quicker but that's about all --so it's a moot point as to whether you would gain significantly in using that option).
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
29 Feb 2012
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#75 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1 |

Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Not actually! Even a 256gb SSD would still be far from what I would need here. As for storage I had to add on an external enclosure for another 1tb drive to pick up where the pair of 1tb internal Sata 3 HDs were filling too fast.
Now for my next build that may see a good 1tb SSD host/OS drive but with an external fan cooled enclosure for 3 or 4 2-3tb drives!  I'll still keep a second internal drive however for testing purposes. Well my point was exactly as you describe - that if you set up a systems disk of 120gB (or better) then have all the 1tB drives you like (fairly cheap by the way) both internal or external - you will have a quicker system.
Like what my laptop is currently rigged at. 120gB internal drive - 32gB SD Card for storage - and for games and such at home - a 510gB drive external.
Unlike you, who requires enough storage to house five Libraries of Congress on, I have simpler needs  lol
Hopefully, soon I will build me a desktop system and that's how I'll craft it. The speed of access from the SSD is pretty remarkable - and when I'm ready to build - the price will be even less than it is now for even bigger drives.
Comparing each of our needs is like my needing a Ford Ranger to get about town and do my errands when you obviously need an F450 with a fifth wheel attachment. lol | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba a665 Laptop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1 CPU i7 Q740 1.73 Memory 8 gB Hard Drives Samsung 830 SSD 120gB |
10 Mar 2012
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#76 | | windows 7 professional x64 SP1 In a house mostly |
Quote: As it looks now, the best way to go will be the Hybrid solution, you labeled #1
Which is perfectly fine.
But to be honest: if you had those "dog-slow" mechanical drives we have today, 12 years ago you would've been the speed demon and envy of the neighborhood. I was the only kid on my block to be running Ultra SCSI / Adaptec U2W2 / P166 OC'd to 200mhz - I was the envy of my friends whilst kicking their butts in Doom with my USR 33.6 modem. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A OS windows 7 professional x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5Ghz, 3.9Ghz Turbo Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD5 LGA 1155 Memory CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) (CML16GX3M4A1600C9B) Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 680; 04G-P4-3687-KR Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays SAMSUNG XL2370-1 Charcoal Gray 23" 2ms Full HD HDMI LED Screen Resolution 1080p PSU SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 Case Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Cooling CORSAIR H80 (CWCH80) High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler Hard Drives x2 Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s
Plextor M3 Series PX-128M3 2.5" 128GB SATA III SSD |
10 Mar 2012
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#77 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |

Quote: Originally Posted by Palindari 
Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk Not actually! Even a 256gb SSD would still be far from what I would need here. As for storage I had to add on an external enclosure for another 1tb drive to pick up where the pair of 1tb internal Sata 3 HDs were filling too fast.
Now for my next build that may see a good 1tb SSD host/OS drive but with an external fan cooled enclosure for 3 or 4 2-3tb drives!  I'll still keep a second internal drive however for testing purposes. Well my point was exactly as you describe - that if you set up a systems disk of 120gB (or better) then have all the 1tB drives you like (fairly cheap by the way) both internal or external - you will have a quicker system.
Like what my laptop is currently rigged at. 120gB internal drive - 32gB SD Card for storage - and for games and such at home - a 510gB drive external.
Unlike you, who requires enough storage to house five Libraries of Congress on, I have simpler needs  lol
Hopefully, soon I will build me a desktop system and that's how I'll craft it. The speed of access from the SSD is pretty remarkable - and when I'm ready to build - the price will be even less than it is now for even bigger drives.
Comparing each of our needs is like my needing a Ford Ranger to get about town and do my errands when you obviously need an F450 with a fifth wheel attachment. lol I wouldn't call it "five libraries of Congress" but more like several VMs like 60-80gb in size for some right on the OS drive. For someone who only needs the basics and tosses everything else on another drive they can rush at the performance gain for the larger price tag.
The external drive once unmounted from host OS serves the VMs when mounted to become available for use with those. 20gb-60gb doesn't leave room for much on the smallest. SSDs won't be a help there. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
27 Mar 2012
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#78 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit Los Angeles |
thats why i stuck with 64gb it seems going any higher than 128 is destined for failure at some point. and its flash memory, once it goes, its gone and nothing would be retrievable. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number love-amd...also love-nvidia OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1075t 3.0 OC'd to 3.85 Motherboard ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ SATA III Memory 8GB G.Skill Sniper 1866 9-10-9-28 1.5v Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Sound Card HD on board Audio Monitor(s) Displays LG FLATRON E2260, Vizio 47 inch LCD 1080p Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Mouse CM Storm Spawn 3500 DPI PSU OCZ Fatal1ty 550w Case Cooler Master CM II Advanced Nvidia Edition Cooling Corsair H70 Hydro Cooling Hard Drives Crucial CT64M4 SSD
Western Digital 750Gb Caviar Black 7200RPM 32MB Cache
Western Digital 2 TB Cavier Green 7200RPM 16MB Cache Internet Speed 25+ mbps Other Info Sound Blaster Tactic Alpha THX headset |
27 Mar 2012
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#79 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
A rotating disk of magnetic domains has to end. I think Companies like Intel won't let the SSD product concept go. Way down the track I think it will be full optical storage (non rotating!!!). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
27 Mar 2012
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#80 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by carwiz And who said the drives have to get smaller? The drives are small enough now that manufacturers could revert back to the 3.5" format and easily quadruple the capacity with current technology. And think about what these drives could do if they had integrated RAID-type logic or multi-channel processing like RAM. The mechanical drives will never catch up in speed or rate of capacity increase. They have magnetic recording limitations similar to the SSD's electro-capacitive storage limits. 1TB HDDs were hitting the market about the same time as 20GB SSDs (About 5 years ago). Comparing rate of capacity increases in SSDs, how many 25TB HDDs do you see on the market?
There has always been a dividing line between workstations/desktops and laptops/netbooks and their usage. As long as this line remains, there's little reason for all SSD to become nano-drives. And 1 and 2TB SSDs have been around for quite a while. Just not within reach of the home crowd. Well I am with #1 at the moment and I am NO expert but reading the articles on graphene based tech I get the impression that a whole machine could possibly be built onto one "chip" at the rate that things are getting to be smaller and smaller. The quote for 2024 I think is really stretching it out as I reckon that the aforementioned tech will be with us before then.
My personal worry is that the SSD is easier to "fry" than a chunk of metal based hardware - not that I don't like the speed but the limitations that are imposed like no defragging and stuff that could be missed in setting one up (especially for clods like me).
Having said that it has been a pleasant if steep learning curve for me with the SSD. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
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