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Windows 7: Kill Switch in Windows 8?

27 Feb 2012   #11
stevieray

windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

I don't like this development at all.

Does anybody remember the controversy a few years ago when Amazon deleted "Animal Farm" and "1984" from Kindles, without warning or permission, even though its customers paid for the books? This move from MS reminds me of that debacle. And Amazon, a company that justifiably prides itself on its customer service, betrayed their customers under pressure from a mere publisher... what kind of deceit could the pressure from a government force on us all? Only for our own good, of course... right? Yeah, sure.


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27 Feb 2012   #12
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Agreed

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by stevieray View Post
I don't like this development at all.

Does anybody remember the controversy a few years ago when Amazon deleted "Animal Farm" and "1984" from Kindles, without warning or permission, even though its customers paid for the books? This move from MS reminds me of that debacle.
I remember that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by stevieray View Post
And Amazon, a company that justifiably prides itself on its customer service, betrayed their customers under pressure from a mere publisher... what kind of deceit could the pressure from a government force on us all? Only for our own good, of course... right? Yeah, sure.
"A terrorist, somewhere on the Internet, sent an email. The Government has asked us to turn off everyone's computers, until this menace has been apprehended."
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27 Feb 2012   #13
arkhi

Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
What prevents Microsoft from controlling the Microsoft Store? How would they not control something they own? I fail to understand your reasoning. Again, this kill switch is only for applications downloaded from the store. Removing a rogue application from the store and victim's computers is a good thing. It will never affect anything outside of the store.

So really...going to let fear and uncertainty drive you?

Controlling their own store is okay. Controlling our device? Not really. Just like what stevieray pointed out, it can be abused, and it can allow them to do... certain things. Removing malicious software from your own PC? Fine, even though I already have something that can do that job just fine. But what if someone would pressure MS to remove a software from your phone that you already paid for because they wanted to, just like that same experience stevieray pointed out.

Also, think of the security. If such a kill switch is available, what prevents malicious hackers from exploiting it? I remember Ubisoft's controversial DRM included with Assassin's Creed. There was a kill switch to disable said DRM (which Ubisoft said they will activate once they think they can no longer have their DRM servers up), and it only took a matter of time for crackers to find it.

I'd rather be very uncertain about this than give my full submission. Submission gives rise to power.
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27 Feb 2012   #14
Sprockett

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Qdos View Post
I'm sure somebody will write a patch, or registry hack, to disable Microsoft's "Kill Switch" as soon as W8 has launched, personally I think the concept is derisory and will put many people off the new operating system...
I think you make an extremely important point here. Whether this kill switch will do what the public thinks or not is almost moot, as the public will automatically read it as another attempt by a big corporation to gain more control of their machines. With security and privacy being the hot buttons they are today, these kind of moves no matter how benign always seem to end in a mess.

So, a company spends who knows how much money/time developing a bit of tech, which is defeated a few hours after official release and only succeeds in landing them in public relations hell.

I can see what they are trying to accomplish, I'm just not convinced it's ever going to work.
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27 Feb 2012   #15
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
DRM and the "Cloud"

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sprockett View Post
So, a company spends who knows how much money/time developing a bit of tech, which is defeated a few hours after official release and only succeeds in landing them in public relations hell.

I can see what they are trying to accomplish, I'm just not convinced it's ever going to work.
Just like DRM on media files.

Why do you think companies are pushing the "Cloud"?
It certainly isn't because it benefits consumers.
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28 Feb 2012   #16
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
That makes it certain that I shall not "upgrade" to Windows 8. Nobody is going to press any switches on my computer except me...if I can help it.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
I agree with Seekermeister, plus the question is if they can use a 'kill switch' for malware, what else can they do to/with your computer or OS.
And what can they see? If they can do it others will be able to do the same thing, to plant malware.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
So really...going to let fear and uncertainty drive you?
Nah, I'll trust them every bit as much as our elected officials are looking out for our best interests.
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01 Mar 2012   #17
Palindari

Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1
 
 

Perhaps this may be a good thing. But allow me to set the record straight - I'm in no way, shape or form an individual that relinquishes his rights for the greater good (Patriot Act, anyone?).

With that said, and playing a little devil's advocate here, what if MS can prevent DOS attacks from compromised/zombie Win8 systems? Or any of the multitude of worm viruses that idiots keep creating, because they cannot get laid on a regular basis, from spreading halfway across the Internet?

This could be a good thing in that regard.

Honestly, I dislike even being data mined by Google every time I turn around for customer aimed advertising. To have my computer, with my personal information being accessed remotely anytime someone deems it necessary...

Well, maybe Orwell was only off by thirty years...
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01 Mar 2012   #18
Palindari

Windows 7 Home Premium 64/SP 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
Just like DRM on media files.

You should read some of Cory Doctorow's lectures on DRM - great stuff - especially to who he lectured them with lol
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04 Mar 2012   #19
Catswold

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Bah, people should learn to read. It only applies to application you download from the App Store for Metro. Side loading from outside the App Store will not be affected. So in reality those that are concerned will not be affected because I doubt they would be using metro or the App Store to begin with.
Yeah, THIS!!!

The first requirement for someone to post a comment on an article is that they SHOULD HAVE READ IT COMPLETELY FIRST.

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Microsoft declined to answer questions about the kill switch in Windows 8 other than to say it will only be able to remove or change applications downloaded through the new app store. Any software loaded from a flash drive, DVD, or directly from the Web will remain outside Microsoft’s control.
This isn't George Orwell's 1984, YET, but it is sufficient to suggest that we end-users remain alert to any attempt to expand the reach of this ability.

All this does is, as someone else stated, is allow Microsoft to retain control of what it markets from its apps page and while it does give one pause, it is not yet time to switch to linux because of it.

I will probably stick with Win 7, because I don't like the look of Win 8 and, because I don't have any touch responsive devices.
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