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Windows 7: American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12

20 Mar 2012   #51
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
The solution is simple, stop pirating stuff, or potentially pay a crazy fine if caught.
The solution is not that simple, because one may not be pirating anything at all, and still be accused of doing so.


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20 Mar 2012   #52
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

perhaps, but i can pretty much guarantee that an accusation of piracy on my systems would turn up absolutely nothing.
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21 Mar 2012   #53
A Guy

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For those of us that don't pirate, the issue is if our isp thinks we are. What's to stop them from warning us about something we haven't done? A Guy
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21 Mar 2012   #54
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
perhaps, but i can pretty much guarantee that an accusation of piracy on my systems would turn up absolutely nothing.
From what I've read, it wouldn't matter if your computer was clean or not, because that would only be relevant in a process with a body with a true legal purview. Even if for some reason it got that far, the current state of the computer would not necessarily reflect it's past state. The bottom line is that it wouldn't matter in the least whether your computer was clean or not, because they don't need any proof.
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21 Mar 2012   #55
stevieray

windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
perhaps, but i can pretty much guarantee that an accusation of piracy on my systems would turn up absolutely nothing.
From what I've read, it wouldn't matter if your computer was clean or not, because that would only be relevant in a process with a body with a true legal purview. Even if for some reason it got that far, the current state of the computer would not necessarily reflect it's past state. The bottom line is that it wouldn't matter in the least whether your computer was clean or not, because they don't need any proof.
Exactly. And don't forget the Mega Upload case going on right now... when they shut it down, they shut it ALL down. They made no effort to distinguish between pirated materials and legitimate content, everybody and everything was presumed guilty. To this day, the legally uploaded unpirated material is still off limits, and the user's inconvenience is of NO importance to the authorities.
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21 Mar 2012   #56
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I think most of the people who spend so much time worrying about the "what-ifs" are likely those who might have an issue because of things they have done in the past.

I don't have problems with the police pulling me over for speeding, when I'm not speeding. I don't have problems getting accused of murder when I haven't committed a murder. I don't think my ISP is likely going to be warning me, or shutting down my access because they believe I "might" have done something wrong.
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21 Mar 2012   #57
noobvious

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop)
 
 

The RIAA, in the few cases they've won in court for large fines....I'd like to know if any of that money actually went to the artists they purport to represent, or if it simply gets funneled in the legal expenses, which as we all know can be outrageous.
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21 Mar 2012   #58
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I also love the theory that people don't want to pay for content like movies and music because so much of it is crappy these days. If it's so crappy though, why are people searching, downloading and watching them anyway. If you want to watch it, you want to watch it...regardless of how well done it is.
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21 Mar 2012   #59
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I think most of the people who spend so much time worrying about the "what-ifs" are likely those who might have an issue because of things they have done in the past.

I don't have problems with the police pulling me over for speeding, when I'm not speeding. I don't have problems getting accused of murder when I haven't committed a murder. I don't think my ISP is likely going to be warning me, or shutting down my access because they believe I "might" have done something wrong.
I'm glad that you have such faith in our system of government, but this issue is not one that involves the government, therefore it is wrong to compare one situation to another. At least, with the government if you are falsely accused (and people have been falsely accused), you have the chance to defend yourself. That is not the case here.

Even if you are never involved in this type of action, doesn't it bother you at least a little that someone else most likely will be, that shouldn't have been?

EDIT: Apparently, you have never driven through some of our nations notorious speed traps, like Nolanville, Texas. They have a short piece of highway going through their jurisdiction, where they make many small speed limit changes, and if they catch you exceeding any of them by 1 mph, they will pull you over and ticket you. However, your right to defend yourself doesn't mean much, because their court supports these actions...that is the way that they fund their city far beyond what is actually needed.
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21 Mar 2012   #60
arkhi

Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I don't have problems with the police pulling me over for speeding, when I'm not speeding. I don't have problems getting accused of murder when I haven't committed a murder.
With the slow speed you are already going, and the massive traffic jam you just passed by, you are already getting late for work. Because of your relative speed with others, the trooper thought your were speeding and pulls you over (relating this with the current issue of the interenets, the police never used his radar gun). While you were never guilty of speeding, you just lost 10 minutes of your valuable time. Your reputation that you never got pulled over is gone.

You get accused of murder. That's a grave crime so they decided to file charges. Well, that means you end up in jail or you have to pay a fine. Now you have to go to court proceedings just to prove your innocence. The time and the money you just lost is very grave because some person decided they are going to be very paranoid about homicides.

Thing is, there is absolutely nothing wrong against piracy. But these people want to take your time, money, and privacy "just to be sure." That is not right.
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