American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12

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  1. Posts : 299
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    0pTicaL said:
    Does this mean torrents will be dead? How can they prove you downloaded a complete file using BitTorrent since the user is essentially downloading bits and pieces from x amount of users?
    Successful prosecutions in the UK have not been based on the fact a file was downloaded - It was based on the amount of data uploaded - IE the fact you shared a copy-righted file.
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  2. Posts : 14,606
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7600
       #11

    seedbox
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  3. Posts : 342
    Windows 7
       #12

    talk about a foolproof business model - have customer pay for service, attack them!
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  4. Posts : 1,660
    Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
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    seekermeister said:
    Since the Mayans only cared about time passage, without having to correlate to a solar year, I would think that anyone that had interpolated the date for their calendar would have taken that into consideration, and that December 21, 2012 would be accurate...but then I don't know.
    Maybe, but the Mayans didn't use the Georgian calendar. I don't know exactly how their calendar get's correlated to ours, but I assume that the correlation would've already takken leap years ans stuff int account.
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    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #14

    Completely off topic but here goes


    The Mayan Calendar Explained
    by Bruce Scofield
    The "Mayan Calendar" is the popular name for a complex organization of time, number,
    astronomy, and astrology created and employed by the Maya (and probably some of their
    predecessors) in ancient Mesoamerica (central and southern Mexico and northern Central
    America). Archaeologists and historians of Mesoamerican civilization generally refer to this
    calendar as the Long Count. The Long Count has three elements that are shared with the Western
    Christian calendar; a base date, a means of grouping large periods of time, and an astrological
    component.
    The base date of the Christian calendar is the year that Jesus of Nazareth was supposedly born.
    Everything in Western history is dated relative to that point, either before (B.C.) or after (A.D.).
    In the Western Christian calendar, time is grouped into years, decades, centuries, and millennia.
    The basic idea of this calendar is to organize time in multiples of the number 10. In the Christian
    calendar, time is linear. There's a starting point, 0, and straight lines move forward and backward
    from that point. Significance occurs when a multiple of ten is crossed, like the year 2000.
    The base date of the Long Count is August 11, 3114 B.C. In the Long Count time periods are
    grouped into multiples of the numbers 13 and 20, numbers that Westerners less familiar with. In
    the Long Count, time is cyclic, and there are a finite number of days that must occur after the
    base date before a new cycle commences.
    The length of the Long Count is exactly 1,872,000 days, or 5,125.37 years. We know this to be so
    because we know the lengths of the fundamental units of Mayan time. For example, the katun is a
    Mayan time period of 7,200 days. Interestingly, this figure is very close (within 54 days) to the
    average synodic cycle of Jupiter and Saturn. Perhaps the katun is an attempt to represent that
    cycle as a mathematical ideal - similar to the way Western astrologers use 360 degrees to measure
    the Sun's motion during a 365.24-day year. A katun of 7,200 days was considered a major time
    period, a generation marker of sorts. We know that there are 260 katuns in the Long Count,
    which, when multiplied by the number of days in a katun, gives us 1,872,000 days again. We also
    know about the baktun, a period of 144,000 days, and we know that there are 13 baktuns in the
    Long Count.
    While the Western Christian calendar is based on the year that Jesus was allegedly born, it
    contains a week of 7 days that are named for planets. This seven-day planetary week is actually
    an astrological remnant of pre-Christian culture, most probably that of the Near East. Embedded
    within the week are the planetary hours, divisions of the day (time itself) that are said to have an
    astrological quality. The hour that begins each day at dawn gives its name to that day. At various
    times in the history of Western astrology, the planetary hours were used in the search for
    propitious times, to read the destiny of a newborn, and to evaluate the nature of the new year
    itself. The planetary hours are a remnant of a kind of astrology that uses blocks of time as "signs."
    Nearly all of Western astrology since the Greeks uses blocks of space which hold symbolic
    meaning, i.e. signs, houses, and aspects.
    The Mesoamerican astrological tradition is built on a structure of blocks of time, which function
    like the spatial signs of Western astrology. The Long Count's divisions into 260 katuns and 13
    baktuns are amounts of time that have an astrological value, though much of the original
    understanding has been lost or destroyed. What we do know is that the cornerstone of
    Mesoamerican astrology is the 260-day astrological calendar, the tzolkin, which was used for
    personality description and for choosing the best days for activities. The Long Count, with its 260
    katuns, appears to be simply a large-scale, mundane version of the 260-day astrological count.
    On a much vaster scale, the Long Count measures the precession of the equinoxes, a cycle of
    approximately 25,695 years. One fifth of the average precessional cycle is 5,139 years, very close
    to the 5,125-year Long Count. In Mesoamerican myth, there are five great ages, each one ending
    with a collapse of some sort. According to some Mesoamerican myths, we are living today in the
    last years of the fifth and last age, the closure of a cycle of five segments of the precession cycle.
    Given the simple technology available to them, the ancient Mesoamerican astrologer/astronomers
    did some amazing work. Not only did they estimate the length of the precession cycle, but they
    also anchored it with a remarkable alignment, the meeting of the winter solstice with the plane of
    the Milky Way, the equator-like plane that runs through the center of our galaxy.
    It now appears that the Maya, or their predecessors, calculated in advance when the winter
    solstice point would pass through the dark band in the Milky Way, a place very important in their
    mythology and a place located on the plane of the galaxy. At least 2,000 years ago they calculated
    this date to be December 21, 2012. With this as the end date, they then strung the Long Count
    backwards, arriving at its starting point in 3114 B.C. The so-called "end of the Mayan calendar"
    is both the terminal point of the current fifth part of the precessional cycle and the terminal point
    of the entire 25,695-year cycle itself.
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  6. Posts : 1,402
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #15

    Any other queries?
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  7. Posts : 761
    Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
       #16

    Aside from the obvious breach of privacy and freedom (yay land of the FREE(?)), the sad part about this is that companies expect profits to soar when piracy is stopped. They fail to realize that lost money from pirates is never ever going to be money earned. They should have learned from PC DRM that the only thing those ever did was hurt both the company and the customers.

    The way I see it, copyright infringement hurts most when the infringer profits from it. You know, like Gamestop's millions of profit from selling used games?
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  8. Posts : 6,618
    W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
       #17

    I'm unfamiliar with that Gamestop case, but I can't see where it is illegal to sell a used game, so long as it was acquired and licensed legally in the first place, and a legal license is sold with the media. Can't remember who it was, but an ad on eBay stated that their program could not be resold, and that goes against everything that I consider right and good. A person may not be buying a game, but they are buying a license, and what one buys one owns, and what one owns one can sell.
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  9. Posts : 2,686
    Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
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    seekermeister said:
    I'm unfamiliar with that Gamestop case, but I can't see where it is illegal to sell a used game, so long as it was acquired and licensed legally in the first place, and a legal license is sold with the media. Can't remember who it was, but an ad on eBay stated that their program could not be resold, and that goes against everything that I consider right and good. A person may not be buying a game, but they are buying a license, and what one buys one owns, and what one owns one can sell.
    I agree with you in principle, but you are not always buying the license. You are paying a one time fee to use the license and do not own it or have a right to sell it. Its all in the legal mumbo-jumbo of the Eula.

    Jim
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  10. Posts : 761
    Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
       #19

    Gamestop's case is completely legal. The point I was making is people are profiting of other company's works through what Phone Man said--legal mumbo-jumbo of the EULA. Companies complain that piracy is the cost of lost sales while they ignore the fact that the used product industry receives a huge profit from it while the creators will never see a dime.

    Piracy, at its most, makes something more popular. More audience=more popularity=more likelyhood of people actually buying said product. I really hate when companies go to sever methods to "protect their property", but then again I don't them to completely remove any form of DRM because I've seen both sides of the extremes and both just have real terrible effects.
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