Will Ivy Bridge's Integ. Graphics Ring Death Knell For Discrete GPUs?

Maguscreed said:

...because reading is hard and clicking on pretty pictures is fun.

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This is true, but it does take a while sometimes to discover what the little pic is trying to tell you.

Maguscreed said:

The overall cheapness people are talking about is more a sign of the general economy.
Back when I still had corporate clients before the economy went to crap, many of them often just wanted the best because they could afford it.

I think because this dip has lasted so long people forget that a lot of us used to like buying the nicer stuff as well. ...it does tend to last longer as well.
2005 or before was an entirely different thing than you see now.

Of course if the political scene remains the way it seems to be going.

...we'll be lucky if any of us can afford a loaf of bread much less fancy computer parts before long.

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Maguscreed,

What you've posted is sad but true. The long continuance of this economic crunch is taking a HUGE toll on the life-style of the average family, whether they live in America or Europe. For many, the choice to purchase the higher quality, higher priced goods or services does not exist anymore; its back to basics like it or not.

Personally, I have decided not to make any unnecessary purchases in the immediate future. At work we have already experienced one reorganization and a second is in the wind. Job insecurity is prevalent everywhere. It is summer and already many folks have decided to stay home instead of going abroad. Barbecues, picnics and short family outings sound better than ever when you are strapped for cash.

Onboard Graphics

I'll offer an opinion. I am not a gamer but I still appreciate good, sharp, responsive graphics. Also I build my own. The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards. I say this from having used the I7 3770K. It seems to me to be a good chip but lacking some what in quality of graphics. So I feel what ever group I am classed in will probably go for discrete. It may be a small segement of the market. I don't know how large.
A question I have is if you have two chips (just say Intel) one with graphics and one with out. What happens to the multitude of internal transistors. Are they put to other uses on the chip without graphics.

HammerHead said:

I'll offer an opinion. I am not a gamer but I still appreciate good, sharp, responsive graphics. Also I build my own. The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards. I say this from having used the I7 3770K. It seems to me to be a good chip but lacking some what in quality of graphics. So I feel what ever group I am classed in will probably go for discrete. It may be a small segement of the market. I don't know how large.
A question I have is if you have two chips (just say Intel) one with graphics and one with out. What happens to the multitude of internal transistors. Are they put to other uses on the chip without graphics.

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I agree. Having tested out the i7-3770 HD 4000 graphics against the AMD HD 6670 graphics, the HD 6670 graphics are silky smooth and look great. The HD 4000 graphics are pretty good, but still a few steps behind. If you didn't tell a novice that they were looking at on board graphics, the person may be fooled. The HD 4000 graphics are that good. On default settings, my comparison showed a better gaming experience using Titan Quest Immortal Throne. However I suspect that even some of the cards below the HD 6670 will be superior to the HD 4000 graphics. For someone that doesn't have a point of comparison, the HD 4000 graphics will look great.

Then again you also have to consider that there are people out there that think tablets and smartphones are the gaming medium of the future.

So who knows.

ignatzatsonic said:

Would it be a crying shame if gamers went entirely to dedicated gaming devices rather than PCs?

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While I own plenty of gaming consoles, you'll have to pry my gaming PC out of my cold dead hands. I like to tinker, and have modded and enjoy mods for plenty of PC games out there. As much as I enjoy my console games they've often left me feeling more could be done - they'll always be a secondary distraction at best.

HammerHead said:

The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards.

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There are chips with no onboard graphics? Are you talking sandy bridge and earlier?

'Coz there ain't no Ivy Bridge's without graphics, Damn it!!

Most of my time when I'm not doing homework, I'm either gaming, video encoding or playing around with photoshop. As has been said, I don't think the integrated graphics will even catch up with the demand for more video crunch that the discrete cards offer, though I am at the low end of the discrete maraket, paying around $450 per card.

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TanyaC:

If the user segment is large enough. The manufacturers will provide a chip with no graphics. It is all about money. All models of the Ivy Bridge are not released yet. We may well see a viable choice in the future.

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TanyaC:

If the user segment is large enough. The manufacturers will provide a chip with no graphics. It is all about money. All models of the Ivy Bridge are not released yet. We may well see a viable choice in the future.

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Intel just wants to make sure that early adopters all get CPUs with HD graphics, so they can try it out for themselves.

I rebuilt one of my HTPC boxes last week after it died after many years of service. I choose an MSI Z77MA-G45 motherboard with an i5-3750K CPU with on-board HD4000 graphics. I was not disappointed. HDTV looks great. In the past I have always used some sort of nVidia GPU, such as the ION or GT430. This time I decided that Intel may have evolved enough to match that level of video performance. My desktop PC still has a nice discrete nVidia card, however.

Bye.

On board graphics seems to me has always been for the mainstream consumer who doesn't really require a dedicated card. Or the low level workstation at some cubicle in an office somewhere.
People like my Parents or my brother who only use their computer for internet and streaming video. The dedicated cards are almost exclusively targeted to gamers and heavy media users.

With all this being said ,I still agree the Average Joe won't be able to tell but to the train eye and gamer the feel will be much different

Load times are obviously different response time etc

This is what i look for when i either get Onboard or a dedicated Gpu

Onboard graphics work well to a point then lags and maybe some glitching studdering while playing demading games /This would be actually at regular settins to make it run smoother you have to drop everything to Med or Low quality which in the end sucks

Having a dedicated Gpu would be abetter choice if you are someone who can tell the difference it may look nice but try to run something demading then the stuffing will come out of the Turkey persay


I could just imagine people who are unaware of the potential of onboad intergrated graphics that will be dispointed and won't be able to return the product and will be forced to upgrade to parts that will make it work so in turn unless you really have no use for anykind of video would be cool but someone who doesn't know will be very unhappy in the end

It will end up costing the consumer more for not looking at better graphic options because lack of knowledge