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Windows 7: Will Ivy Bridge's Integ. Graphics Ring Death Knell For Discrete GPUs?

07 May 2012   #21
cyclic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
...because reading is hard and clicking on pretty pictures is fun.
This is true, but it does take a while sometimes to discover what the little pic is trying to tell you.


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07 May 2012   #22
C32C3

Win7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
The overall cheapness people are talking about is more a sign of the general economy.
Back when I still had corporate clients before the economy went to crap, many of them often just wanted the best because they could afford it.

I think because this dip has lasted so long people forget that a lot of us used to like buying the nicer stuff as well. ...it does tend to last longer as well.
2005 or before was an entirely different thing than you see now.

Of course if the political scene remains the way it seems to be going.

...we'll be lucky if any of us can afford a loaf of bread much less fancy computer parts before long.

Maguscreed,

What you've posted is sad but true. The long continuance of this economic crunch is taking a HUGE toll on the life-style of the average family, whether they live in America or Europe. For many, the choice to purchase the higher quality, higher priced goods or services does not exist anymore; its back to basics like it or not.

Personally, I have decided not to make any unnecessary purchases in the immediate future. At work we have already experienced one reorganization and a second is in the wind. Job insecurity is prevalent everywhere. It is summer and already many folks have decided to stay home instead of going abroad. Barbecues, picnics and short family outings sound better than ever when you are strapped for cash.
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07 May 2012   #23
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Onboard Graphics

I'll offer an opinion. I am not a gamer but I still appreciate good, sharp, responsive graphics. Also I build my own. The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards. I say this from having used the I7 3770K. It seems to me to be a good chip but lacking some what in quality of graphics. So I feel what ever group I am classed in will probably go for discrete. It may be a small segement of the market. I don't know how large.
A question I have is if you have two chips (just say Intel) one with graphics and one with out. What happens to the multitude of internal transistors. Are they put to other uses on the chip without graphics.
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07 May 2012   #24
Sardonicus

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead View Post
I'll offer an opinion. I am not a gamer but I still appreciate good, sharp, responsive graphics. Also I build my own. The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards. I say this from having used the I7 3770K. It seems to me to be a good chip but lacking some what in quality of graphics. So I feel what ever group I am classed in will probably go for discrete. It may be a small segement of the market. I don't know how large.
A question I have is if you have two chips (just say Intel) one with graphics and one with out. What happens to the multitude of internal transistors. Are they put to other uses on the chip without graphics.
I agree. Having tested out the i7-3770 HD 4000 graphics against the AMD HD 6670 graphics, the HD 6670 graphics are silky smooth and look great. The HD 4000 graphics are pretty good, but still a few steps behind. If you didn't tell a novice that they were looking at on board graphics, the person may be fooled. The HD 4000 graphics are that good. On default settings, my comparison showed a better gaming experience using Titan Quest Immortal Throne. However I suspect that even some of the cards below the HD 6670 will be superior to the HD 4000 graphics. For someone that doesn't have a point of comparison, the HD 4000 graphics will look great.
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07 May 2012   #25
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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Then again you also have to consider that there are people out there that think tablets and smartphones are the gaming medium of the future.

So who knows.
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08 May 2012   #26
Trucidation

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Would it be a crying shame if gamers went entirely to dedicated gaming devices rather than PCs?
While I own plenty of gaming consoles, you'll have to pry my gaming PC out of my cold dead hands. I like to tinker, and have modded and enjoy mods for plenty of PC games out there. As much as I enjoy my console games they've often left me feeling more could be done - they'll always be a secondary distraction at best.
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09 May 2012   #27
TanyaC

Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon | Win 7 Ult x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead View Post
The group who builds their own rigs will probably gravitate to the chips with no on board graphics and purchase discrete cards.
There are chips with no onboard graphics? Are you talking sandy bridge and earlier?

'Coz there ain't no Ivy Bridge's without graphics, Damn it!!

Most of my time when I'm not doing homework, I'm either gaming, video encoding or playing around with photoshop. As has been said, I don't think the integrated graphics will even catch up with the demand for more video crunch that the discrete cards offer, though I am at the low end of the discrete maraket, paying around $450 per card.
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09 May 2012   #28
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Demand Is The Driver

TanyaC:

If the user segment is large enough. The manufacturers will provide a chip with no graphics. It is all about money. All models of the Ivy Bridge are not released yet. We may well see a viable choice in the future.
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09 May 2012   #29
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead View Post
TanyaC:

If the user segment is large enough. The manufacturers will provide a chip with no graphics. It is all about money. All models of the Ivy Bridge are not released yet. We may well see a viable choice in the future.
Intel just wants to make sure that early adopters all get CPUs with HD graphics, so they can try it out for themselves.
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12 May 2012   #30
Crunchy Doodle

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I rebuilt one of my HTPC boxes last week after it died after many years of service. I choose an MSI Z77MA-G45 motherboard with an i5-3750K CPU with on-board HD4000 graphics. I was not disappointed. HDTV looks great. In the past I have always used some sort of nVidia GPU, such as the ION or GT430. This time I decided that Intel may have evolved enough to match that level of video performance. My desktop PC still has a nice discrete nVidia card, however.

Bye.
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