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Windows 7: Aged Windows XP Costs 5x More to Manage Than Windows 7

26 May 2012   #11
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It's a wonder that some actually keep using xp. I know of a school district here locally that got new laptops for their students, preloaded with 7 Pro, and wiped the hard drives clean and installed xp. Ever since, I've heard of usability issues because people aren't using decade old software anymore...
That is absolutely crazy.

The place I work is resistant to upgrade because it is a cash-strapped small business. But being a small business, it still has a large number of computers (half with CRT monitors I might add). To buy software for all of it would be quite an expense. In fact, before I got there, they were resistant to update the computers "due to possible problems caused by an update". This included security updates. I might also add that they are now doing better because of all those 'bad' updates. Got a lot of Dell Optiplex 330's for normal staff, so quite old.

The graphics team recently bought a GTX 550ti and found that they couldn't install it due to the AGP slot that apparently didn't accept PCI-e x16 o.0

But bless their hearts, its a non-profit that gives most of its gold away to help the community. What can you do?
They could get the HIS AGP 4670 for around the same price.


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26 May 2012   #12
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

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Hi there
this isn't surprising -- just look at CARS or any other piece of machinery -- it invariably costs more to service and repair older gear than more modern stuff.

However in all this ONE important piece of information is missing.

Although it *may* cost more to maintain -- you can't forget the "Capital Outlay" (i.e COST) of purchasing the new product - be it Windows, a new Car, a new energy saving fridge or whatever.

I'm sure some people will stick with XP until they HAVE to buy a new computer. I'd suspect that most computers (non corporate or company supplied PC's) that are still running XP are due for "retirement" fairly soon anyway.

As for older legacy software - I still MOST CERTINLY AM using it. I still have an old H.P Plotter device (used regularly) which only works on XP and a large format professional printer (A2 poster size) also running on XP plus a few others..

OK I run these apps on an XP VM but it's still XP and isn't going off my system any time soon.

I know lots of cases where you have old "industrial" grade equipment which costs thousands of $$$$'s to upgrade --even if you could find newer stuff - and often you can't get a replacement.

This stuff is often perfectly "fit for purpose" for 30 - 50 years or even longer.

I think a lot of people just simply think computers are used by office professionals or home users.

Computers are used in all sorts of places -- from Oil Rigs to monitoring gases at potential volcano sites. Measuring gear is extremely expensive so the OS will remain. !!!

Often in this type of situation you CAN'T upgrade the OS even if you wanted to.

cheers
jimbo
I just don't understand why they don't just make the system self contained running an in-house OS (such as a HP-UX derivative) in the first place? I bet you that in many cases a custom bare-bones OS could've done the job just fine.

Here's an example: At the college I go to, they use a mettalurgy machine that NEEDS to be hooked up to a compatible computer. But all the computer does is display the output and do printouts. The system could have easily have a CPU included and ports for monitor, keyboard, and printer.

Hi there
Logical yes -- but remember a lot of these companies at that time hadn't a CLUE about how you'd program stuff into a computer anyway.

These devices just "worked" -- the guys who built them weren't computer I.T gurus or whatever -- in todays world probably "every man and his dog" could create a driver --but back then --different ball game.

Cheers
jimbo
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26 May 2012   #13
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
It's a wonder that some actually keep using xp. I know of a school district here locally that got new laptops for their students, preloaded with 7 Pro, and wiped the hard drives clean and installed xp. Ever since, I've heard of usability issues because people aren't using decade old software anymore...
That is crazy! I can understand maybe wiping Vista off but 7 Pro???
Was that recently?
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26 May 2012   #14
Urthboundmisfit

Win 10 Pro x64, Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

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Microsoft yesterday added ammunition to its increasingly aggressive battle to get users off the nearly-11-year-old Windows XP by citing a company-sponsored report (emph mine) that claims annual support costs for the older OS are more than five times that of Windows 7...



Color me skeptical...
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26 May 2012   #15
FerchogtX

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3
 
 

Somthing we are not considering is the way economy is behavng his days, looks quite unstable and companies don't want to risk even a penny in order to upgrade something...

It's not that easy... Windows 8 at least keep the same system specs from Windows 7 (or at least seems to be faster tan W7 due to supporting ARM processors, thus making the code more optimized and less bloated, they wouldn't writte different code for dofferent version, will they?)... otherwise it could be a disaster for that OS...

It is better to upgrade, no doubt, but seems that companies and even a lot of home users will still hang on XP (unfortunately, they don't know what they are missing by not using W7...)

Microsoft needs to improve stategy moving back to the 3 year deadline is not that wise (at least in my point of view) at least expanding that deadline to say 5 or 6 years should suffice, you actually give the chance to your new OS to be sold, giving you more money from that, and also, expanding user usage, just like happened with XP (just leaving out the fact that lasted almost 11 years... that's just TOO much...)

As for the hardware part, we need to actually improve the market, companies need mutual cooperation so they can sfinally convice others to move to a new OS and hardware, new stategies to make people believe in changes.

Resumed: en extent for OS deadlines (5 or 6 years intead of 3) and new strategies with mutual cooperation between companies can solve the gap we have actually regarding upgrades and hardware stuff.

Just my point of view though...

See ya!!
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26 May 2012   #16
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
Somthing we are not considering is the way economy is behavng his days, looks quite unstable and companies don't want to risk even a penny in order to upgrade something...

It's not that easy... Windows 8 at least keep the same system specs from Windows 7 (or at least seems to be faster tan W7 due to supporting ARM processors, thus making the code more optimized and less bloated, they wouldn't writte different code for dofferent version, will they?)... otherwise it could be a disaster for that OS...

It is better to upgrade, no doubt, but seems that companies and even a lot of home users will still hang on XP (unfortunately, they don't know what they are missing by not using W7...)

Microsoft needs to improve stategy moving back to the 3 year deadline is not that wise (at least in my point of view) at least expanding that deadline to say 5 or 6 years should suffice, you actually give the chance to your new OS to be sold, giving you more money from that, and also, expanding user usage, just like happened with XP (just leaving out the fact that lasted almost 11 years... that's just TOO much...)

As for the hardware part, we need to actually improve the market, companies need mutual cooperation so they can sfinally convice others to move to a new OS and hardware, new stategies to make people believe in changes.

Resumed: en extent for OS deadlines (5 or 6 years intead of 3) and new strategies with mutual cooperation between companies can solve the gap we have actually regarding upgrades and hardware stuff.

Just my point of view though...

See ya!!
I agree!
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26 May 2012   #17
M1GU31

Windows 10 64bit
 
 

you know one way you can get people off xp? Stop supporting XP and make all the new software only work with vista,win 7 and win 8 that's how you get people to buy updated machines with win 7 and make the upgrade really cheap if you own a previous legit Microsoft OS. Sure many will be pissed off but will have to upgrade. If they want newer software then upgrade.Seems harsh I know but this would start making people realize that they need to move on.
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26 May 2012   #18
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by M1GU31 View Post
you know one way you can get people off xp? Stop supporting XP and make all the new software only work with vista,win 7 and win 8 that's how you get people to buy updated machines with win 7 and make the upgrade really cheap if you own a previous legit Microsoft OS. Sure many will be pissed off but will have to upgrade. If they want newer software then upgrade.Seems harsh I know but this would start making people realize that they need to move on.
True, a lot have dropped support for Win2000 and XP didn't come out too long after that. Was it 2001 or 2002?
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26 May 2012   #19
M1GU31

Windows 10 64bit
 
 

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you know one way you can get people off xp? Stop supporting XP and make all the new software only work with vista,win 7 and win 8 that's how you get people to buy updated machines with win 7 and make the upgrade really cheap if you own a previous legit Microsoft OS. Sure many will be pissed off but will have to upgrade. If they want newer software then upgrade.Seems harsh I know but this would start making people realize that they need to move on.
True, a lot have dropped support for Win2000 and XP didn't come out too long after that. Was it 2001 or 2002?
XP came out in August 24, 2001
source: Windows XP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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26 May 2012   #20
FerchogtX

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by M1GU31 View Post
you know one way you can get people off xp? Stop supporting XP and make all the new software only work with vista,win 7 and win 8 that's how you get people to buy updated machines with win 7 and make the upgrade really cheap if you own a previous legit Microsoft OS. Sure many will be pissed off but will have to upgrade. If they want newer software then upgrade.Seems harsh I know but this would start making people realize that they need to move on.
You can probably force home users this way, but companies will just switch OS as a response for this, Linux can get that market, and the worst part is that they will be confused the first, but once getting the batch, they will probably never return to Windows (because Linux is free... not better, if you talk regarding games for example... but free), loosing an important part of the market, and for many years, because they will even be able to maintain old hardware because that OS works on it without issues...

Forcing is not a solution, this only result on rebellion, better enforce market strategies to alow money to run as it was in older years. The problem here is budget for many people, you cannot just force them.

But again, is just my point of view...
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