| Windows 7: Is 'Metro' now a banned word at Microsoft? |
05 Aug 2012
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#31 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. (On both machines) Lincolnshire, UK. |
IMHO it's all about 2 things - 1, change - a majority of humans are opposed to anything new, they are used to dealing and working with something that works for them and their situation. A smaller proportion of people who accept and welcome change and new methods, will work to overcome any problems. Then eventually many will happily accept the results of these endeavours, whilst others will continue to oppose the new. It's called an entrenched position and I may have been guilty of that error myself.
2 - Most computer users are unskilled in computing, who only need to turn on and use the machine. They are not interested in having to solve problems with drivers, or setting up a new operating system. They just want it work "out of the box". Vista did not do that, it was a departure from the XP they had grown used to. 7 worked much better in that regard, I know users like that who hated Vista and loved 7. To quote one of them, it's like Microsoft used Vista to show us how good 7 was in comparison. Same person loves the way that 7 sets up her peripherals, asking if she wants drivers and setting them up. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number (PC) Gigabyte EG41MFT-US2H Self build. (Laptop) HP Dv7. OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. (On both machines) CPU (PC) Intel Quad Core Q6600: (Laptop) Turion II M520 Motherboard PC: as above. Laptop (HP System Board) 3639 33.23 Memory PC: Corsair DDR3 4GB Corsair Laptop: DDR-2 Micron 800 4 GB. Graphics Card ATI Asus HD6770: Laptop: ATI Mobile Radeon 4500. Sound Card Onboard. Monitor(s) Displays PC: Lyama Prolite E2407HDS 24" Laptop 17" Screen Resolution PC: 1920x1080. Laptop:1600x900 Keyboard Logitech MK 250 wireless. Mouse PC: Logitech MK 250 wireless. Laptop: Logitech Wireless M235 PSU OCZ 550 GX. Laptop - ? Case Black Coolermaster Centurion 5 II. Cooling 2x120 mm. Coolermaster front & rear: 120mm. CM side fan. Hard Drives Pc: WD 5000AAKS (O/s, Photos, Files.)
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Laptop Mouse: tiny USB thumb drive, works fine. |
05 Aug 2012
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#32 | | Desktop with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 & Notebook with Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Ohio |

Quote: Originally Posted by Bertison IMHO it's all about 2 things - 1, change - a majority of humans are opposed to anything new, they are used to dealing and working with something that works for them and their situation. A smaller proportion of people who accept and welcome change and new methods, will work to overcome any problems. Then eventually many will happily accept the results of these endeavours, whilst others will continue to oppose the new. It's called an entrenched position and I may have been guilty of that error myself. I would certainly agree with that. As a matter-of-fact, that's part of my problem with Windows or anything else. If you don't believe me, ask my wife--She'll tell you the same thing. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion g7-1260us Notebook OS Desktop with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 & Notebook with Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Memory 8Gig |
05 Aug 2012
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#33 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 Mexico |

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi there
I think we all agree that W8 will never see the light of day inside corporations where people use computers for real work That's the whole truth being said... 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 -- however I can't see what's wrong with a bit of tinkering on a HOME system particularly if you install it as a Virtual Machine. Well... 
Quote: Originally Posted by Bertison ...2 - Most computer users are unskilled in computing... This answers this one in particular, this people will be SCREAMING nd begging for Windows 7 to be reinstalled on their systems as soon as possible... We can't spect everyone to know how to use and setup a virtual machine... and some people (like me) also need to work at home. 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 As far as installing 3rd party products to make an OS useable --that's done ALL the TIME with Linux -- such things as APACHE,SAMBA, MySQL and PHP come immediately to mind in order to make a really good reliable Linux file and web server. Nobody says you shouldn't install these products (all FREE of course) to greatly increase the use of the OS (another issue but beats IIS by about 40,000 KM too !!). That's right, but Linux has an open source kernel, which means that people can release enhacement tools without guessing, because they already know how to handle kernel and deep system changes, with Windows is almost a trial and error, even if in the most part of the time those changes are harmeless...
Also, Linux is known to be customizable since the beggining and that, if you want something, you change it by yourself. Windows is designed to run in PC's for people that knows nothing about this, that's the reality. 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 I do agree though Ms should have thought through this whole desktop experience completely before going ahead with it.
I'd get some of the developers and LOCK them in a room with only a large 50 inch monitor and not let them out until they've completed a few complex spread sheet, some power point presentations and a few document translations ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO USE FULL SCREEN, TOUCH AND METRO apps.
They'd be screaming for the traditional desktop within 60 secs.
I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door.
Cheers
jimbo And this sir. Is the whole truth, it seems they never hear feedback even from people that tested the RP, instead rushing releases with no testing...
See ya!! | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Assembled Desktop PC OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Dual Core CPU @ 2.7 Ghz (Brisbane) Motherboard PCChips A13G+ v3.0 Memory 2x2 GB DDR2 PC-5300 (667 Mhz) Kingston ValueRAM Graphics Card XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350 GPU (512 MB + 512 MB HM) Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Driver ALC660 @ MCP61S Monitor(s) Displays HP S2031 20" LED HD Widescreen Display Monitor Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 px Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard Silent Key Feature Mouse Microsoft USB Lasser Pointing Device PSU Pixxo Transformer 850W 80+ Certification PSU Case Compaq 5BW353 Case Cooling Many solutions, see other info... Hard Drives Maxtor Diamond Max 10 (160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II Hard Disk)
Western Digital Scorpion Blue (250 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II External Hard Disk) Internet Speed 2 MB Other Info Windows Experience Index Result: 3.8 of 7.9.
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- Rear Fan 80 mm @ 2700 RPM for heat extraction
- Manhatan Chipset Cooler @ 4700/7200 RPM (For nVidia Chipset in MoBo)
- Foxconn @ 2500 RPM (Old Pentium III heatsink fan) in XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350 |
05 Aug 2012
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#34 | | Desktop with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 & Notebook with Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Ohio |
I have Win 8 installed on VMware Player. Every time I open it I say to myself, “Why in the h### am I doing this?” Actually, I don’t know. So here’s one question that I would like an answer to: Unless a person is using one of those hand held instruments, what is the advantage of Windows 8 over windows 7? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion g7-1260us Notebook OS Desktop with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 & Notebook with Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Memory 8Gig |
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For most people , there is no advantage at all. | My System Specs | | OS Vista x64 / 7 X64 CPU E8400 Motherboard ASRock 1333 GLAN R2.0 Memory 2x1 gb 800mhz Graphics Card 9500gt 1gb Case Coolermaster Cooling Winpower 500w Hard Drives Maxtor 160gb-2mb cache |
05 Aug 2012
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#36 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 I do agree though Ms should have thought through this whole desktop experience completely before going ahead with it.
I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door. I have to assume they DID think through "this whole desktop experience".
They simply came to a different conclusion based on thinking it through than you or I would.
I can't believe MS doesn't acknowledge internally that there will be major howling from typical desktop and corporate users.
The only semi-plausible explanation is that they are not really targeting corporations or home builders or enthusiast desktop users.
Rather, they are targeting tablets and relying on OEMs to force-feed it pre-installed to desktop/laptop buyers. I suspect the OEMs will get to field all the support questions from Joe Sixpack when he unpacks the Dell and says WTMFH is going on.
I think it's a bad decision, but not mysterious. Quite possibly borne out of desperation at trailing in tablets and the relative stagnation of the desktop market. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
05 Aug 2012
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#37 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 The North Star state |
Quote: Rather, they are targeting tablets and relying on OEMs to force-feed it pre-installed to desktop/laptop buyers. I would have to agree with you on this, but my question is, why can't Microsoft release two different versions of Windows 8. One set up for PCs and the other for tablets, instead of trying to force the issue. I tried out Windows 8 comsumer release on my PC and after making a few tweaks it was usable, but I won't upgrade from Windows 7 simply because I do not care for Metro, or whatever name their trying to call it now. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Customized build from CyberPower OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 CPU Intel i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8P67 Deluxe Memory 8 gigabytes Corsair PC3-12800 DDR3 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 superclocked Sound Card Integrated Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic 23" LCD Screen Resolution 1980 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft 3 button PSU Coolermaster 1000 watt modular Case Coolermaster HAF X full tower Cooling Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus Hard Drives 120 Gb Samsung 840 Pro SSD
120 Gb Kingston Hyper X SSD
1 Tb WD Caviar Black HDD Internet Speed download 1.5 Mb/sec upload 300Kb/sec |
05 Aug 2012
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#38 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by LittleJay why can't Microsoft release two different versions of Windows 8. They can, as far as I know. I haven't heard a programmer type say it's not feasible.
Apparently they won't.
Why wouldn't they?
Only halfway understandable reason I can see is corporate pride (read "hubris")---showing they can enforce their will and won't be cowed into complying with the requests of mere rube users like you and I. Rank paternalism---daddy knows best.
Eat your spinach.
And there may be an element of feigned disdain rather than true disdain for the desktop market. I can imagine some high-level meetings at MS wherein whistling past the graveyard might be seen as cool, particularly if championed by a big cheese---who is likely surrounded by sycophants.
It becomes more understandable to the extent that desktop/laptop users are not the target and to the extent that OEMs will take the brunt of the complaints.
Five years from now we can judge if the disdain was justified. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
05 Aug 2012
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#39 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
Is a button interface on a normal desktop system intuitive? Are they contemplating mass replacement with touch screen desktops? Why would one want buttons on a non-touchscreen desktop? | My System Specs | | |
05 Aug 2012
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#40 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 Mexico |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker Are they contemplating mass replacement with touch screen desktops? To get my fingerprints covering a nice monitor panel? NO | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Assembled Desktop PC OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Dual Core CPU @ 2.7 Ghz (Brisbane) Motherboard PCChips A13G+ v3.0 Memory 2x2 GB DDR2 PC-5300 (667 Mhz) Kingston ValueRAM Graphics Card XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350 GPU (512 MB + 512 MB HM) Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Driver ALC660 @ MCP61S Monitor(s) Displays HP S2031 20" LED HD Widescreen Display Monitor Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 px Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard Silent Key Feature Mouse Microsoft USB Lasser Pointing Device PSU Pixxo Transformer 850W 80+ Certification PSU Case Compaq 5BW353 Case Cooling Many solutions, see other info... Hard Drives Maxtor Diamond Max 10 (160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II Hard Disk)
Western Digital Scorpion Blue (250 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II External Hard Disk) Internet Speed 2 MB Other Info Windows Experience Index Result: 3.8 of 7.9.
Cooling solutions:
- AVC @ 2000/5000 RPM Copper Heatpipes (For Athlon 64 X2 6000+ CPU used in an Athlon 64 X2 5200+)
- Rear Fan 80 mm @ 2700 RPM for heat extraction
- Manhatan Chipset Cooler @ 4700/7200 RPM (For nVidia Chipset in MoBo)
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