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Windows 7: Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users
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11 Nov 2012
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#11 | |
Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
I just re-read the story and see nothing about "UEFI locking." Nor have I heard about it until now. What have I missed?
Can you please provide a source for this or explain it further as you understand it?
I do remember that BIOS locks were attempted for awhile by OEM's until judges smacked them down hard for trying to tell owners how they could use their own property. Haven't heard of a locked BIOS in several years now. | My System Specs |
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12 Nov 2012
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#12 | |
Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64 Wanderer |
Simple, if customers want Windows 7 OEMs will sell it to them. The OEM may make statements about not changing the OS but when it comes to sales they will deliver what the customer wants.
UEFI doesn't lock out changing an OS. If the OEMs put something in there that does, there will be modded UEFIs. | | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop
System Manufacturer/Model Number 76~2.0
OS Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 4.6GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77X UD3H, f18
Memory 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600 Corsair Vengeance CL8 1.5v
Graphics Card Sapphire HD 7770 Vapor-X OC 1GB DDR5
Sound Card Onboard VIA VT2021
Monitor(s) Displays 22" LCD Dell
Screen Resolution 1680x1050
Keyboard Logitech Wave
Mouse CM Sentinel
PSU Corsair HX650W
Case Cooler Master Storm Scout
Cooling Corsair H80 2x12cm Noctua NF P12 , 2x14cm case fans
Hard Drives Samsung 840Pro 128GB SSD,
Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache, Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB cache,
Internet Speed Dismal
Antivirus Avast
Browser Opera Next
Other Info eSATA ports,
External eSATA Seagate 500GB SATA2 7200rpm,
External USB WD 500GB
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12 Nov 2012
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#13 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |
From the article linked at the beginning: Quote: That could be a bigger problem that it used to be. All vendors Windows 8 PC now come with Microsoft's UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) Secure Boot. This "security" system makes it much harder to boot Linux, or any other operating system for that matter, on a Windows 8 PC. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built
OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64
CPU Phenom II X4 955 BE
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990FX
Memory 8 GB OCZ BE 1667
Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX470 SC
Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 19"
Screen Resolution 1280x1024
Keyboard Logitech
Mouse Cyborg R.A.T 7
PSU Thermaltake 850W
Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000
Cooling Air
Hard Drives 256 GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2x WD 1 TB
1x WD 2 TB
Internet Speed Standard RR
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12 Nov 2012
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#14 | |
MS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1 United States |
It basically sounds like Microsoft is trying to enforce users to use Windows 8 because they know they messed up. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built
OS MS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V LK
Memory G.SKILL Ares 8GB (2x4GB)
Graphics Card EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 550 Ti
Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays 22 inch LG Flatron W2240T
Screen Resolution 1920x1080
Keyboard Logitech K360 (Wireless)
Mouse Logitech M215 (Wireless)
PSU Raidmax RX-630SS
Case NZXT Crafted Series Tempest 410 Elite
Cooling Air Cooled
Hard Drives Mushkin Chronos 120GB SSD (OS), 1TB Seagate HDD (Data)
Internet Speed 1.14 MB/s (9.6 mbps)
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12 Nov 2012
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#15 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64 Milton Keynes |
We shouldn't hate Microsoft too much, every company makes mistakes, and they have produced great operating systems and products in the past: Windows 7 and Windows XP for example. | | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop
System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion dm1 Notebook PC
OS Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64
CPU AMD E-450 APU (64-Bit) @ 1.65GHz Dual-Core
Motherboard HP 3387 36.0A (Socket FT1)
Memory 4GB DDR3 @ 676MHz
Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 6320 Graphics
Sound Card Beats Audio - IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
Monitor(s) Displays LCD HP Monitor
Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 @ 60Hz
Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Synaptics TouchPad V 7.5/Logitech USB Wireless
PSU Microsoft Composite Battery - ACPI
Case HP
Cooling HP Cool Sense
Hard Drives 500GB - SATA Hitachi HTS547550A9E384
Internet Speed 24.0 Mbps
Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser Opera 12.15; Firefox 21
Other Info NIC - Broadcom 4313GN 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter
Belkin Black Laptop Cooling Stand
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12 Nov 2012
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#16 | |
Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
I don't read any hatred toward MS in the WIn8 comments, more a genuine concern that they're abandoning too fast a wildly popular 3 year old OS.
Beside we do as much here for MS as their own forums do, if not more. 
Quote: Originally Posted by mlevy  From the article linked at the beginning: Quote: That could be a bigger problem that it used to be. All vendors Windows 8 PC now come with Microsoft's UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) Secure Boot. This "security" system makes it much harder to boot Linux, or any other operating system for that matter, on a Windows 8 PC. I haven't heard yet that UEFI can lock out anything. Here's how it works with 7: UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 7 with - Windows 7 Forums
UEFI is routinely turned off if undesired by enabling Legacy BIOS, removing EFI boot disk from BIOS Boot order, then wiping the HD with Diskpart Clean Command or Convert GPT Disk to MBR Disk - Windows 7 Forums | | My System Specs | | |
12 Nov 2012
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#17 | |
win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
Messy
What a friggin' mess. This should play out in 2013. Sales figures will be the determing factor. | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BGC (Bob's Garage Crew)
OS win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
CPU I3770K
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe
Memory G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000
Sound Card Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB)
Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW224T (1)
Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080
Keyboard MS Wireless 3000 V2
Mouse MS Wireless 3000 V2
PSU CoolerMaster 1000 Watt
Case CoolerMaster HAF X
Cooling CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N
Hard Drives SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
OCZ Vertex3 120GB
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB 2.5" SATA II
ST31000524AS 1000.2GB
WD15EARS (External)
Internet Speed Cable
Antivirus Norton Internet Security
Browser IE9
Other Info AMI Bios 1805
OC'd 3%
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12 Nov 2012
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#18 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64 Milton Keynes |
Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
Beside we do as much here for MS as their own forums do, if not more.
I agree, there is much greater support on this forum, also the forum doesn't aim to sell any products or promote a particular product; Microsoft forums may be clouded by the aim to make a profit. | | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop
System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion dm1 Notebook PC
OS Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64
CPU AMD E-450 APU (64-Bit) @ 1.65GHz Dual-Core
Motherboard HP 3387 36.0A (Socket FT1)
Memory 4GB DDR3 @ 676MHz
Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 6320 Graphics
Sound Card Beats Audio - IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
Monitor(s) Displays LCD HP Monitor
Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 @ 60Hz
Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Synaptics TouchPad V 7.5/Logitech USB Wireless
PSU Microsoft Composite Battery - ACPI
Case HP
Cooling HP Cool Sense
Hard Drives 500GB - SATA Hitachi HTS547550A9E384
Internet Speed 24.0 Mbps
Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser Opera 12.15; Firefox 21
Other Info NIC - Broadcom 4313GN 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter
Belkin Black Laptop Cooling Stand
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12 Nov 2012
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#19 | |
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. (On both machines) Lincolnshire, UK. |
Thanks Brink, I have a friend asking if she should buy a lappy with 8 or 7. This will convince her to stay with 7 (although I will have to ask for her - she is so timid with sales people.) | | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number (PC) Gigabyte EG41MFT-US2H Self build. (Laptop) HP Dv7.
OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. (On both machines)
CPU (PC) Intel Quad Core Q6600: (Laptop) Turion II M520
Motherboard PC: as above. Laptop (HP System Board) 3639 33.23
Memory PC: Corsair DDR3 4GB Corsair Laptop: DDR-2 Micron 800 4 GB.
Graphics Card ATI Asus HD6770: Laptop: ATI Mobile Radeon 4500.
Sound Card Onboard.
Monitor(s) Displays PC: Lyama Prolite E2407HDS 24" Laptop 17"
Screen Resolution PC: 1920x1080. Laptop:1600x900
Keyboard Logitech MK 250 wireless.
Mouse PC: Logitech MK 250 wireless. Laptop: Logitech Wireless M235
PSU OCZ 550 GX. Laptop - ?
Case Black Coolermaster Centurion 5 II.
Cooling 2x120 mm. Coolermaster front & rear: 120mm. CM side fan.
Hard Drives Pc: WD 5000AAKS (O/s, Photos, Files.)
Seagate ST3100520AS 1TB (Films, Video)
Laptop: WDC WD32000BEKT-605t1
External Backup: another WD 5000AAKS, in Trust E-SATA case.
Internet Speed (Rural Lincolnshire!) From 2 to 2.8 Mb.
Other Info Clean-installed laptop. PC, networked as Master to laptop.
TV Tuner card "WinTV Nova T-500 Dual Tuner fitted, in order to watch sport & own film/TV choice without marital discord! NOTE: works fine, excellent Freeview reception in a poor signal area.
Laptop Mouse: tiny USB thumb drive, works fine.
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12 Nov 2012
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#20 | |
Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
Quote: Originally Posted by x BlueRobot
Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
Beside we do as much here for MS as their own forums do, if not more.
I agree, there is much greater support on this forum, also the forum doesn't aim to sell any products or promote a particular product; Microsoft forums may be clouded by the aim to make a profit. MS Answers (if that's still its name) is getting better after struggling to adjust to more user interactivity and a realistic reputation system which they recognize was built-in better here. At 2012 MVP Summit I met their new VP who was head of Oprah's web empire and has brought them much spirit and progress.
However they don't have our tutorial database (just KB's) and haven't developed nearly as many of the workarounds and fixes that have come out of 7F even though they have MS engineers to call upon. | | My System Specs | | Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:27 PM. |  |
