| Windows 7: Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users |
10 Nov 2012
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#1 | | 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 & Windows 8 Enterprise Texas |
Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users Quote: If you buy a Windows 8-powered HP consumer PC, or from any other PC vendor, you'll get no help from them if you decide you'd rather have Windows 7. And Linux? Forget about it!
PC companies call it downgrading, but many users just call it being sensible. You buy a new computer, and instead of using the bleeding edge operating system it came with, you move to an operating system you trust. With ordinary Windows 8 on Hewlett-Packard (HP) consumer PC, or any other vendor's retail PC, though, you're stuck with Windows 8. Read more at source: Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users | ZDNet See also: HP clarifies Windows 8 consumer PC downgrade and warranties
Last edited by Brink; 12 Nov 2012 at 07:35 PM..
| My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built custom OS 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 & Windows 8 Enterprise CPU Intel i7-3930K 3.2 Ghz (O/C 4 Ghz) Motherboard ASRock X79 Extreme11 Memory 32 GB (8GBx4) G.SKILL DDR3 Quad PC3-19200 2400MHz Graphics Card Sapphire HD5870 Eyefinity 6 2GB Sound Card SB Recon 3Di Integrated Chip Monitor(s) Displays 3x 27" Asus VE278Q Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution Mouse Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution PSU OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W Case Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Cooling Corsair Hydro H100 Hard Drives 256GB OCZ Vector
160GB OCZ RevoDrive X2
2 x 1TB Samsung HDD HD154UI SATA Internet Speed 50 Mb/s Download and 2 Mb/s Upload Other Info Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
Lite-On iHBS212 12x BD Writer
Samsung CLX-3175FW Printer
Netgear WNDR3800 Router
Motorola SBG6580 Cable Modem
2x APC Back-UPS XS 1500 |
10 Nov 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 The North Star state |
Thank you for the news Brink! I will keep it in mind, if someone I know wants to purchase a new computer. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Customized build from CyberPower OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 CPU Intel i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8P67 Deluxe Memory 8 gigabytes Corsair PC3-12800 DDR3 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 460 superclocked Sound Card Integrated Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic 23" LCD Screen Resolution 1980 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech USB Mouse Microsoft 3 button PSU Coolermaster 1000 watt modular Case Coolermaster HAF X full tower Cooling Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus Hard Drives 120 Gb Samsung 840 Pro SSD
120 Gb Kingston Hyper X SSD
1 Tb WD Caviar Black HDD Internet Speed download 1.5 Mb/sec upload 300Kb/sec |
10 Nov 2012
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#3 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |

Quote: Originally Posted by Brink Quote: If you buy a Windows 8-powered HP consumer PC, or from any other PC vendor, you'll get no help from them if you decide you'd rather have Windows 7. And Linux? Forget about it!
PC companies call it downgrading, but many users just call it being sensible. You buy a new computer, and instead of using the bleeding edge operating system it came with, you move to an operating system you trust. With ordinary Windows 8 on Hewlett-Packard (HP) consumer PC, or any other vendor's retail PC, though, you're stuck with Windows 8. Read more at source: Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users | ZDNet Main Reason why it's a Failure no-one wants it
To be forced into using a interface that looks more like a phone app will confuse the Holly Hell out of people who are used to a adaptable interface that we been using since win 95
Honestly some people don't like change even if it is with the times
Last edited by Solarstarshines; 10 Nov 2012 at 04:23 PM..
| My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
10 Nov 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Thank you Brink for keeping us up to date. The story keeps thickening. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
11 Nov 2012
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#5 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64 East Midlands |
My friend really needs a new laptop by Christmas, maybe he'll be stuck with Windows 8 then, although he said he didn't mind if it comes with Windows 7 or Windows 8.
I think he might be better off saying with his Windows Vista machine which overheats after opening a few tabs on Chrome, and battery which doesn't work either  I guess adding a fresh SSD/HDD and then clean installing Windows 7 will work | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion dm1 Notebook PC OS Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64 CPU AMD E-450 APU (64-Bit) @ 1.65GHz Dual-Core Motherboard HP 3387 36.0A (Socket FT1) Memory 4GB DDR3 @ 676MHz Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 6320 Graphics Sound Card Beats Audio - IDT High Definition Audio CODEC Monitor(s) Displays LCD HP Monitor Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 @ 60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Synaptics TouchPad V 7.5/Logitech USB Wireless PSU Microsoft Composite Battery - ACPI Case HP Cooling HP Cool Sense Hard Drives 500GB - SATA Hitachi HTS547550A9E384 Internet Speed 24.0 Mbps Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Opera Other Info NIC - Broadcom 4313GN 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter
Belkin Black Laptop Cooling Stand |
11 Nov 2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |
This is making me very glad I moved from PC to Mac for my laptop and home-build my desktops (now used for an HTPC and will run 7 for the foreseeable future). I might even have to convince my dad to move to an iMac or Mac Mini for his next desktop (I self-build for him as well). | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Phenom II X4 955 BE Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990FX Memory 8 GB OCZ BE 1667 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX470 SC Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Cyborg R.A.T 7 PSU Thermaltake 850W Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 Cooling Air Hard Drives 256 GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2x WD 1 TB
1x WD 2 TB Internet Speed Standard RR |
11 Nov 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 x64 x86 North Western Indianapolis |
It is really quite simple, if a client buys a laptop or desktop from Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target etc. and "cannot get on with it" for what ever reason the retailer will take it back under their 30 day no quibble satisfaction warranty. The retailer wants your money but they want you to be happy with the purchase and come back and spend some more money. Those units show up as refurbs or managers specials. At the time of return if Windows 8 is the problem the client will demand either Windows 7 or a total refund. Any salesman worth his salt is going to find a product with what the client wants on it Windows 7 rather than lose the sale completely. We have been here before with Vista, they can blow hot and cold all they like but if the public don't buy it other arrangements will be in place....AKA Plan B. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Bluethunder OS Windows 7 x64 x86 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1050T Motherboard ASUS M4A77T/USB3 (AM3) Memory G Skill F3-12800CL9-4GBXL 16gb Graphics Card Gigabyte Silent GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS Monitor(s) Displays LG L227WTG Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard IBM Mouse Logitech Laser LED PSU ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT 620W ATX12V SLI Case Rocketfish Full Tower Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus with push pull fans Hard Drives ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3250410AS ATA Device
ST3160212SCE ATA Device
ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device Internet Speed Never fast enough Antivirus Avast and MSE on certian Virtual Machines Browser Firefox Other Info My other machine (Indianatone)
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This machine (Bluethunder)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/HOHBCzQyUsv3j6PVu3Qf2Fj
Chat Machine (Shadow)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/FWdeKU0m2B3yyyG6RBZAXUD
All three of the machines are fed to three LG L227WTG @ 1680 x 1050 16:10 monitors.
Using Mouse Without Borders (Google it) |
11 Nov 2012
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#8 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
I think the manufacturers who offer Windows 7 as an option will be the winners. Some will have to learn that the hard way. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
11 Nov 2012
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#9 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
This is no different that they way OEM's have always enforced their factory preinstalled sponsor bloatware, so the solution remains the same: If you need tech support get it here where it is vastly better, or if you must talk with them do not reveal you have clean reinstalled or "upgraded" 8 to 7. If you need to ship it back under hardware warranty have the Recovery disks on hand to run Recovery first from its partition or disks. Save a backup image so you have another way to recover.
This will either force consumers en masse to touchscreens or force MS and OEM's to offer "downgrade" rights to 7 as they did during XP>Vista debacle. Consumers are not going to put up with having a productive desktop experience ruined by a gimmicky Wall of Buttons slamming down on their work, or go through the trouble of modifying WIn8 to include Windows 7's explorer with Start menu using best solution Windows 7 explorer for Windows 8. | My System Specs | | |
11 Nov 2012
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#10 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker This is no different that they way OEM's have always enforced their factory preinstalled sponsor bloatware, so the solution remains the same: If you need tech support get it here where it is vastly better, or if you must talk with them do not reveal you have clean reinstalled or "upgraded" 8 to 7. If you need to ship it back under hardware warranty have the Recovery disks on hand to run Recovery first from its partition or disks. Save a backup image so you have another way to recover. At least the bloatware could be removed. With the UEFI locking that Microsoft is requiring the OEMs to do you CAN'T get rid of Win 8 (you say this is no different but it IS different). Microsoft is forcing enthusiasts to build their own (many do anyway) and possibly NOT buy a Windows license if they can get away without Windows. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Phenom II X4 955 BE Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990FX Memory 8 GB OCZ BE 1667 Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX470 SC Monitor(s) Displays BenQ 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Cyborg R.A.T 7 PSU Thermaltake 850W Case Coolermaster Cosmos 1000 Cooling Air Hard Drives 256 GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2x WD 1 TB
1x WD 2 TB Internet Speed Standard RR Windows 8 is a one way street for consumer PC users problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:52 AM. | |