| Windows 7: Secure Boot Arrives |
15 Nov 2012
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#11 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
It's looking like more of a protective feature than a BIOS lock.
Reading the articles and experiencing our first case here, it appears MS and the OEM's have softened considerably so that Secure Boot can now be simply disabled in BIOS setup to install another OS, perhaps even without bypassing EFI itself.
We still need more cases to see how other BIOS's handle it. | My System Specs |
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15 Nov 2012
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Well, I for one can tell you that Lenovo's laptops that come with windows 8 have secure boot enabled.
Disabled it and put 7 on it, but yeah. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Myself OS XP, 7 32/64bit CPU i5 2500k, various Motherboard Gigabyte ga z68xp-ud3 Memory Enough Graphics Card 560 Hard Drives Far too many to keep track of Internet Speed Faster than yours, maybe. |
15 Nov 2012
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#14 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit At home. |

Quote: Originally Posted by wkw427 Bought a windows 8 laptop, because the exact same laptop with 7 was $15 more... Heck, I would have paid morethan that to get one with Windows 7. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit CPU Intel i7-3930K Motherboard ASUS P9X79 WS Memory Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR Graphics Card MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR Sound Card On board Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays HP w2207h Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G110 Mouse Logitech M525 (two in use) PSU Corsair HX750w Case Antec Two Hundred v2 Cooling Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm) Hard Drives Samsun 128GB 840 Pro
Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB
Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB Internet Speed fair to middlin' Antivirus AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Browser IE9 Other Info LSI 9211-8i SATA III controller card (eight more SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Combo - 3 Ports USB 3.0 Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Combo Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Logitech 5.1 speaker system, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, |
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Quote: Originally Posted by theog I've figured that out already. The problem is, I could not make restore disks for windows 8, for a factory restore. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald 
Quote: Originally Posted by wkw427 Bought a windows 8 laptop, because the exact same laptop with 7 was $15 more... Heck, I would have paid morethan that to get one with Windows 7. As would have I, if I would have known things would have gone down the way they are going. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Myself OS XP, 7 32/64bit CPU i5 2500k, various Motherboard Gigabyte ga z68xp-ud3 Memory Enough Graphics Card 560 Hard Drives Far too many to keep track of Internet Speed Faster than yours, maybe. |
15 Nov 2012
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#16 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |

Quote: Originally Posted by wkw427 The problem is, I could not make restore disks for windows 8, for a factory restore. You can also save a backup image as an alternative .
Did you contact your OEM tech support which is included free in the first year? Please let us know what they say.
I would also not tell them you reinstalled as this can void the tech support but not the hardware warranty. | My System Specs | | |
15 Nov 2012
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#17 | | Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 Italy |
ok, let's pretend for a moment that it wasn't a dirty trick.
It does prevent the computer from booting OSs that haven't payed a fee to MS to be included in the list.
Fedora has payed so it won't trigger this annoyance. Likely other big linux distros will pay and will be added.
So, to bypass this nonsense a virus or whatever just has to disguise itself as Fedora, which isn't that hard to do as Fedora (and any other linux distro that pays the fee) is Open Source.
The only OSs left out from that blanket are more obscure linux distros, older Windows OSs, and of course Apple's own OSs (hackingtosh springs to mind). And if the BIOS does not allow addition of certificates OR cannot disable this feature, you're out of luck.
How does that make a computer more safe? It's just an annoyance for common users, not unlike the usual DRM.
Would be more interesting if it did help keep down the number of pirated Win 8. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number custom built OS Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 CPU AMD Phenom 9650 Quad-Core (a revision without the bug) Motherboard ASUS M4A78 Memory 4,00 GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Fujitsu Siemens P19-3P Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 x 32 bits @ 60 Hz Oh yeah, 4:3 rocks! Keyboard Microsoft, whatever. Mouse Optical, logitec. PSU whatever, around 450w Case Scavenged from old company PC, 10+ years old Cooling CPU fan, GPU fan, case fan, nothing fancy Hard Drives (1) MAXTOR S TM3320613AS SATA Disk Device (2) STM35004 18AS SATA Disk Device (3) TOSHIBA USB 2.5"-HDD Internet Speed effective max speeds: 70-ish kB/s down 30-ish kB/s up Antivirus Avira, free endition. Browser Firefox with FXChrome to make it look like Google Chrome Other Info Was discarded by previous owner due to "horrible performance".
Was running Win Xp from a IDE drive. Yeah. Was a pain.
SATA II drive and Win7 and it zips away! Yay! |
15 Nov 2012
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#18 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
Win8 appears to have been developed on the Ipad or SmartPhone model of locking down the device, selling the OS low so you can make more money from the Apps. Hence the rise of MS Store.
This might be fine if it was limited to touchscreen devices. It's trying to force it onto desktops for an unintuitive, unproductive desktop experience that's at issue, and forcing it onto all new PC's being sold now is potentially disastrous. We must wait for almighty market forces to correct it asap while vindicating the best OS ever. My guess is that's already happening. | My System Specs | | |
15 Nov 2012
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#19 | | Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 Italy |
point is, this feature just gives the impression of being locked down. Not that for Apple is different, there is just lack of other compatible OSs (and reasons to install them)) on Ipad/phone. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number custom built OS Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601 CPU AMD Phenom 9650 Quad-Core (a revision without the bug) Motherboard ASUS M4A78 Memory 4,00 GB Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Fujitsu Siemens P19-3P Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 x 32 bits @ 60 Hz Oh yeah, 4:3 rocks! Keyboard Microsoft, whatever. Mouse Optical, logitec. PSU whatever, around 450w Case Scavenged from old company PC, 10+ years old Cooling CPU fan, GPU fan, case fan, nothing fancy Hard Drives (1) MAXTOR S TM3320613AS SATA Disk Device (2) STM35004 18AS SATA Disk Device (3) TOSHIBA USB 2.5"-HDD Internet Speed effective max speeds: 70-ish kB/s down 30-ish kB/s up Antivirus Avira, free endition. Browser Firefox with FXChrome to make it look like Google Chrome Other Info Was discarded by previous owner due to "horrible performance".
Was running Win Xp from a IDE drive. Yeah. Was a pain.
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