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Windows 7: Rumor - Microsoft to Release Windows Blue, the First Free Windows Ever


29 Nov 2012   #21
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Hmmm...interesting... just GMTF away from Metro!
There is nothing wrong with Metro, Windows8. Just cause 90% of the worlds population can't figure it out, makes the other 10% I guess, gurus.
I don't think there is anything wrong with it, I just dislike it. I much prefer the traditional Windows desktop, and in fact plan on downgrading a Windows 8 Acer laptop to Windows 7. If we had the option to disable Metro, I'd use it. I know there are programs that can give you the start button back, but I feel like I shouldn't have to pay for something to use an OS how it should be to begin with IMO.

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30 Nov 2012   #22

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Citing sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans, The Verge reports that Windows Blue is going to be released in mid-2013 and will comprise significant UI changes, most likely supposed to address the controversial Windows 8 features.

To me this statement tells me that Msoft is actually giving in to user demand's regarding the lack of traditional UI features that everyone was complaining about.

They should be allowing the options of Aero, Gadgets, Classic Start Menu, Booting Straight to Desktop, Network Mapping, all the stuff that traditional PC users are use to having and still want.
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30 Nov 2012   #23

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JerometheGiraff View Post
Microsoft wants to Crush Linux then push Apple out of the way. Windows will then be open source, to a point. Windows will crush Apple it's coming.
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05 Dec 2012   #24

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I just wish Microsoft would have given us the option to use either mode like in windows 7 one could set it up as classic mode to look like xp
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07 Dec 2012   #25

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An attempt to keep it from being insta-pirated?

Won't work (will be insta-pirated), but other than that, open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.
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09 Dec 2012   #26

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[QUOTE=bobafetthotmail; open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"? If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it? You can't eat, drive, wear, or live in a reputation. Someone will have to pay for your free lunch. Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?

At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference. The best you can do is complain. I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft. After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it. If you don't, fix it yourself and stuff your complaint where the sun don't shine.

Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else? Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.
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09 Dec 2012   #27

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lkgriffith View Post
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open-sourcing it is a very good move. Give hackers some chew toys like that and they improve your code for free way better than a platoon of ace programmers.
Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"? If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it? You can't eat, drive, wear, or live in a reputation. Someone will have to pay for your free lunch. Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?

At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference. The best you can do is complain. I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft. After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it. If you don't, fix it yourself and stuff your complaint where the sun don't shine.

Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else? Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.
I'd like to note that that hasn't stopped programmers and hackers from making some awesome (and some not-so-awesome) free software, both open and closed source. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hobbyist/free programmers and hackers if I were you.
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09 Dec 2012   #28

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I'd like to note that that hasn't stopped programmers and hackers from making some awesome (and some not-so-awesome) free software, both open and closed source. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss hobbyist/free programmers and hackers if I were you.

Thank goodness I am not you and you are not me. If we were the same person, I would be disagreeing with myself. That would be most unseemly.

In my professional judgement (45 years as a software engineer), the vast majority of the software produced by the hobbyist/free programmers isn't worth as much as being free. I will agree that some of the software is adequate and some of that is even useful but awesome? I don't think so. Apparently my standard for awesome is a good bit higher than yours.
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09 Dec 2012   #29

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

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Are you sure the "hackers" are all "ace programmers"?
Given that even without the source they can crack all software's security and DRMs within months (usually weeks) I would not dare to say they are all pussies either. And in case you haven't noticed, they to it for free already.
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If Microsoft can't keep a stable of ace programmers happy and truly productive how will working for free do it?
And you say this in a place full of volunteers that "waste" their time doing techsupport for a product that isn't theirs? (a better techsupport than MS's own if I might add)
I mean, really?

Most do it to feel cool and to get more experience doing something they find fun. For hackers is basically the same (yes, it's people that enjoys writing code and using terminal/console commands, difficult to understand them). Give them a chew toy and they will jump all over it. And Windows is and has always been the mother of all chew toys in this field.

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Who will that be and won't their interests float to the top rather than yours?
Most serious projects require the users to sign in and leave their signature on the additions/changes they made (safety reasons). And you know how are humans when competition kicks in... It becomes a community just like sevenforums.

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At least with Microsoft you can vote by buying or not buying their product. If the product is free, your using it or not makes not one whit of real world difference.
Open-source does not mean "free". It just means that everyone can see the code. A lot of open-source projects actually protect the code with GPL licences to avoid copycats, MS can make a licence to protect their code. (and you can bet your backside that anyone trying to copycat any code from MS will get eaten alive in court). The fact that their product is free is purely coincidental.

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I suspect that will have even less impact than a complaint sent to Microsoft.
negative impact? Seriously they don't usually care.
Microsoft lacks the resources to pay the programmers to fix and implement everything you ask, but with open-source it's more likely your complaint is heard by an idle programmer ready to do it for glory and lulz, just like hackers blow away any DRM on games for a few "thank you" on PirateBay's comments.

Then MS only has to check what code the contributors submit.

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After all, it is free so you will take what is offered and like it.
Because you can always say "**** it I don't like MS's crap! I'll use the best that competition has to offer", and then go buy an overpriced locked down Mac that won't run 99% of the software you want (either games or corporate stuff), or throw yourself in the Linux jungle and at most end up with a product that isn't better than a Mac.

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Are you an ace enough programmer to trust your fixes let alone anyone else?
With Open Source, you have a ridiculously huge amount of people looking at the code. The chances bad (or even malicious) code gets implemented are nearly nonexistant.
Ubuntu and similar high-end Linux distros enjoy these benefits even if their userbase sucks (number-wise) when compared with Windows.

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Good luck on trying to make a decent living fixing free software for free even if you are.
It isn't the first time a particularly good rogue programmer that did something awesome gets hired by the company it was working for free.
Happens with good game modders as well (the company making the game hires them and they become part of the staff).
The "community" is actually a far better place to recruit than the standard ways, as they are usually far more motivated, and it's easier to tell who are the best guys.

If you manage to build a decent community, that is.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lkgriffith View Post
I will agree that some of the software is adequate and some of that is even useful but awesome? I don't think so. Apparently my standard for awesome is a good bit higher than yours.
Firefox, Chrome, Open Office and its successor Libre Office, a gazillion of very useful browser extensions, VLC are some examples of what I'd call awesome free (and open source) products.
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09 Dec 2012   #30

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bobafetthotmail: "Given that even without the source they can crack all software's security and DRMs within months"

Gee, they have the skills of a safe cracker. Woopdedoooo! Do they break and enter locked houses and steal cars too? Not at all impressed with such illegal activities. How about doing something productive with their time, effort, and skills and actually earn a living rather than stealing stuff.
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