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Windows 7: Rumor - Microsoft to Release Windows Blue, the First Free Windows Ever

16 Dec 2012   #71

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

I doubt MS is moving to an advertising revenue model, the annual update will normalize their cash flow and most likely increase their revenue.

It's more likely they're moving closer to a pure cloud computing model - what used to be called centralized computing. Ah well, things change and change again and again and again.
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Well be prepared for a peugeot or nike ad every 10 clicks!


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16 Dec 2012   #72

Windows 7 Home premium 64bit SP1
 
 

The thing is windows 8 doesn't give me enough of a reason to upgrade, very small changes and that's excluding the UI. Before anyone asked I used win 8 for about 4 months during beta. Not to impressed,only thing that was better was boot times and the time it took to transfer and copy files and liked how email was integrated into the os sort of like a microsoft outlook built in,was able to have my gmail account connected and see when I got emails. The UI I didn't care much for it,took me about 15 mins to understand how to use it after playing around with it and ended up getting a start menu for it.

In my opinion, it needs some more features and give a option on what type of UI I want it to default to. It's not horrible but not enough for me to say I need to upgrade. What they need to do is give some of the features from 7 back and they can leave the metro but give a option on what to default it to. Like I can choose to disable metro and just have a traditional layout. Also it doesn't bring something new like windows 7 did with direct x 11,heard it's going to have something like dx 11.1 which is probably going to be pretty gimmicky like direct x 10.1 was with vista.

Also most games don't even fully use dx11 yet,since i'm more of a pc gamer instead of just a regular user. Windows 8 isn't to attractive to my eyes because it doesn't bring anything new. I could also probably get faster boot speeds and copy/transfer just purchasing a ssd and would probably be continent with that. I will wait until they bring something big to the table,not these small changes that don't really interest me.

Anyways those are just my two cents on the ppl saying 8 is "worth" the upgrade.
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16 Dec 2012   #73

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

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Yes. MS want you to have everything online with them. Boot up the o/s online - store everything up there - pay storage fees, usage fees, rent all your programs/apps/services thru MS. All approved by MS of course. No side loading.

Win 8 is a big step in that direction.

That is why there are so many raising concerns - including game developers/distributors who can see the platform closing.

MS still have almost almost complete dominance of the consumer market for pc's. If you have $1200 or more, you can go Apple. Everybody else gets what they are given and puts up with it.

MS are using that dominance to push thru what they think is good for MS.
That is what metro/start screen/MS account is for.That is why they shove it at the user constantly.

Many will just go along with it. Sign up for MS account as exhorted,buy apps., sync devices, store stuff up there. A few bucks here and there. Another few bucks if you go over your 7gb limit.

Once the public is doing that - not difficult to persuade them to go subscription.

That is what win8 is about.

I think you are exactly right. MS did not produce their "one size fit's all" for us, they did it for THEM.
That's why they're trying to cram it down our throats.

If they were concerned with public satisfaction, they would've included the start button/start menu
as an option for desktops.
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17 Dec 2012   #74

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

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I think you are exactly right. MS did not produce their "one size fit's all" for us, they did it for THEM.
That's why they're trying to cram it down our throats.
Speaking as a person in charge of all technology in a company, I can say for sure, it was done for me. We use computers, tablets, smartphones, etc...all form factors in my company...and being able to have one OS for them all, that I know our apps and services works on makes my life much much easier.
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17 Dec 2012   #75

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Speaking as a person in charge of all technology in a company, I can say for sure, it was done for me. We use computers, tablets, smartphones, etc...all form factors in my company...and being able to have one OS for them all, that I know our apps and services works on makes my life much much easier.
What's the point for that anyway? Bulk of computers in most companies are cheap terminal-like affairs bought by the ton, and just need office-like applications or (much more commonly) a custom-designed single application for entering-retrieving data from a database in the company's servers.
It's hard to find someone who actually wants to place Windows 7 on them, go figure Win 8.

Tablets are far too easy to steal and resell to be stocked in numbers high enough to be used for common grunts, so are smartphones (besides, for most tasks the screen of a smartphone is too small). Win 8 won't change that.

Managers are a minority, but on average don't really need more than what is already there. Although they end up costing quite a bit as they MUST have the newest and bestest (intended) gimmick just to show off or whatever. And annoy the company's IT guys to learn how to use their new stuff.
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17 Dec 2012   #76

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail View Post
What's the point for that anyway? Bulk of computers in most companies are cheap terminal-like affairs bought by the ton, and just need office-like applications or (much more commonly) a custom-designed single application for entering-retrieving data from a database in the company's servers.
It's hard to find someone who actually wants to place Windows 7 on them, go figure Win 8.
What's the point? I'm a one-man I.T. department, so any simplification I can find is a plus. My company computers are not dumb terminals pointing to servers. I have a lot of mobile employees who are out with customers and potential partners on a daily basis. Windows 7 is the standard now...so I have no idea how to even address your comment about people not wanting to even put Windows 7 on office computers. If that's how IT is going to handle company assets, I'd be looking for a new job ASAP.
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Tablets are far too easy to steal and resell to be stocked in numbers high enough to be used for common grunts, so are smartphones (besides, for most tasks the screen of a smartphone is too small). Win 8 won't change that.
I have no idea how that relates to my topic, but here goes. Android tablets and iPads are good, but could never completely replace a computer. For many of my employees, a business laptop is too bulky to carry around all day. A tablet-type device, especially one that's fully functional, would fit their needs perfectly.

Again, I have no idea where you are going with your comments, but as the I.T. Manager, my job is to make sure my people have the tools they need to perform their jobs in the most effective manner. Some of these new form factors are going to be perfect fits for some of our needs.
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17 Dec 2012   #77

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

I'm adding another viewpoint. Both of us are correct.

The companies I see here (I know a lot of IT guys around) have vastly different needs than your company.
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Windows 7 is the standard now...so I have no idea how to even address your comment about people not wanting to even put Windows 7 on office computers.
The standard for what? All programs that a company needs here can run on XP or have versions that run on XP and they worked fine before as they work fine nowadays (word 2007 or 2010 does not make you more productive). New companies don't have a lot of choice, but older ones that still have XP licences don't see the need to upgrade just to run Office 2012 or whatever.
The grunt's machines never have any kind of contact with the outside world anyway, so even "improved security" is irrelevant. Boot times and snappyness suck but they are irrelevant as well as it is going to run a single dumb program which isn't more heavy than excel. A lot use diskless systems that reset themselves at every reboot (the OS is on a server, and any modification on the terminal does not affect the server), again to cut corners and decrease the time IT guys have to spend on troubleshooting. Quite a few companies fired half or more of their IT staff after this was implemented.

The only computers that are going to be upgraded to 7 are servers, as they need the security, and even then it's something they aren't eager to do.

As a sidenote, there was a lot of crying out loud for the reskinned Office menu, I mean the ribbons of office 2007 and later. As people trained to use previous versions had issues and screwed up things requiring a lot more extra work from IT guys.
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I have no idea how that relates to my topic, but here goes.
You said Win8 is cool for companies that want to use tablets, but I said that not a lot of companies here think using tablets is a good move. If to that hardware/software cost you have to add the cost and hassle of additional security to keep it safe, and likely losses every once in a while, the cost-effectiveness of the decision "let's use tablets because they are more portable" is too low.
The same conclusion was reached by bean counters in different small-to-mid-sized companies and a couple local branches of multinational ones (their IT guys told this to me when I asked if they were going to have used tablets to sell in the future). I see only professional-oriented PDAs, that while wildly expensive they still have a non-existant value for theft (and resale to my customers). They can survive dust and rain (and being dropped and kicked around for that matter), though.

Besides, to have full device interoperatibility, (that means they go on ARM devices as well), you need to convince the software's devs that make the company's own databases and data-insertion/retrieval programs to turn their programs into a Win 8 app, and add it to the marketplace. Which isn't going to happen for obvious reasons.

Most companies I am in contact with build something, do techsupport for various kinds of machinery or move something around the nation, marketing-oriented companies or the ones that must have a lot of contact with the people/customers and don't operate outside showroom-like environments need that stuff to make the right impression.
For example, all people that comes to your house/company to sell you solar panels has a tablet nowadays.
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18 Dec 2012   #78

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Based on what you've posted, I'm going to say that the I.T. world in Italy is far different from what it is here in the States. I work for a small dairy promotion company (far from bleeding edge of tech) and consult for a medium size energy management company (bleeding edge), and my wife works in the I.T. department of a county-run nursing home complex. I also came form one of the largest computer manufacturer's in the world, and none of those environments are anywhere close to what you describe.
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The only computers that are going to be upgraded to 7 are servers, as they need the security, and even then it's something they aren't eager to do.
It seems to me, that the I.T. staffs you deal with aren't really up on anything current. They seem to fear tablets, still cling to a 12 year old OS, and plan on running a desktop OS on a server. I can easily see why they'd fear something new and unknown, such as Windows 8. If they needed added security on a server, why would they avoid a server OS?

I'm not directing any of this at you personally, but many of those I.T. staffs wouldn't cut it in the industries I've been involved in. The point of having a Windows tablet is that it can operate on a domain, with all of the same security a laptop computer would have, yet in a smaller, easier to carry around footprint. I also don't quite get their comments about needing to turn everything into an app. That would be true if RT was the only option, but it clearly shows they haven't done any research into the Windows 8 Pro tablets about to be released. Windows RT has little value in a business setting, to me personally. My comments above are about the Windows 8 Pro tablets. My company upgrades computers every three years. We're 25 people in total, and 20 of them are due this upcoming year. So, whatever I buy, I get cheap MAK licenses due to our non-profit status. My job as I.T. Manager is to find the solution that works best for each person, based on the role they fill and the work they do. My graphic designer has far different needs that our Office Manager, as an example. Someone who sits in a cubicle all day has far different needs than someone who's on the road 4-5 days a week.

If I closed my mind to new products and only looked backwards, I'd be failing myself and my company.
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18 Dec 2012   #79

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
 
 

DeaconFrost: "My job as I.T. Manager is to find the solution that works best for each person, based on the role they fill and the work they do. My graphic designer has far different needs that our Office Manager, as an example. Someone who sits in a cubicle all day has far different needs than someone who's on the road 4-5 days a week."

Just maybe those of us who so intensely dislike Windows 8 for the desktop have many very valid reasons for doing so. Our PERSONAL and PROFESSIONAL needs, wants, requirements, and situations are seriously impacted by the many missing elements that were taken out by Microsoft. They wanted Windows 8 to work on the grossly limited environments of smart phones and touch tablets. Its desktop capabilities was all but totally sacrificed for that goal. It is not that we fear something new, we want the new actually to be better for us than the old for OUR purposes. At least enough better that it is worth the cost of changing.

As it stands, Windows 8 fails to reach as good as crappy for use on the desktop. This includes what has been done to Visual Studio 2012 and that total abomination of Microsoft Office. Yes, they can be used but only with constant frustration and seriously reduced productivity IN OUR HANDS. They are not worth the effort to use.

How about live and let live as a general rule of social and professional interaction? You use what works for you and I will use what works for me. We each get to decide what works for ourselves. You are not evil for embracing Windows 8 and I am not evil for rejecting it. We are simply different. Why isn't that simply OK? You seem to embrace part of that approach. Why not go all the way and accept that the I.T. world in Italy is simply different from yours but is still workable for them even though it won't work for you?
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18 Dec 2012   #80

Windows 7 Pro 32/64 bit and Windows 8 Pro 32 Bit/64bit
 
 

you know you are all speculating on something that has not even come out yet, why not wait till it comes out then rip it apart or not
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