| Windows 7: Are SSDs the new RAM for boosting system performance? |
08 Dec 2012
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#11 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1 Houston, Texas |

Quote: Originally Posted by eburnettscd How reliable are SSD drives? Horror stories of corrupted files lost - or is that just a USB device thing? On my part I've also been able to recover lost and raw partoons from my flash drive but not without some damaged goods. Imagination, heavy disk use maybe?
I have also wondered what is seek time like on SSD. I know USB is not the swiftest tool in the shed but what time cost savings could you expect from say - a comparable 7200 rpm?
And I hear you say no need to defrag - ahh what's this? I would like one to get rid of all the heat excess - when will a decent size (80+ GB works for me) at a decent price be on market? These horror stories are just that, "stories". Many people on here have SSD's and I have not heard of one that has a problem. In my opinion, they are every bit as reliable as a HDD. == You ask about "seek time". If you put your OS and programs on your SSD, you will be amazed how fast they are. From the time you click your mouse on an icon until the program opens is one second. That is speed. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1 CPU Intel Core i3-2120 3.30Ghz Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V LX Intel Z68 Socket H2 ATX Memory Kingston 4 GB DDR3 1333 mhz Graphics Card Zotac GeForce 9400 GT 512MB Sound Card Sound Blaster Audigy SE 24-Bit Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Sync Master 940 = 19 inch Screen Resolution 1440 X 900 Keyboard Microsoft Natural 4000 Mouse Microsoft Custom Optical 3000 PSU 500 watt Case NZXT Apollo - Silver with Clear Side Panel Cooling Three 120 mm Fans Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 3 120 GB Sata 3 SSD ==
Western Digital 160 GB Caviar Blue 7200 RPM ==
Western Digital 500 GB Caviar Green 7200 RPM == Internet Speed AT&T Fiber Optic Wireless Network Other Info 120 mm Blue LED Fan -- Three Blue LED Lazer Light Sticks |
08 Dec 2012
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#12 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |

Quote: Originally Posted by eburnettscd How reliable are SSD drives? Horror stories of corrupted files lost - or is that just a USB device thing? On my part I've also been able to recover lost and raw partoons from my flash drive but not without some damaged goods. Imagination, heavy disk use maybe?
I have also wondered what is seek time like on SSD. I know USB is not the swiftest tool in the shed but what time cost savings could you expect from say - a comparable 7200 rpm?
And I hear you say no need to defrag - ahh what's this? I would like one to get rid of all the heat excess - when will a decent size (80+ GB works for me) at a decent price be on market? A SSD has no "seek time" since there is no moving parts. A 7200RPM HDD has an average latency of 417ms, micro seconds. The time it takes bit of data to pass through the read/write heads until the next bit from the file arrives.
A SSD's access time, similar to seek time, is less than .1ms.
No need to defrag because the access time stays the same no matter where a file's bit are located. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. |
09 Dec 2012
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#13 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by mikiep Microsoft needs to rethink the disk/file/path structure. Perhaps move the MyDocuments/MyPicture/MyMusic/Downloads etc to D drive along with optional maybe for program installs to manually choose C drive installs or not. Make the system a fast boot at least... Then most standard users can get by with a small say 64 or maybe 32gb ssd c: drive and a larger d: spinning drive with ample room to have a system image for when that ssd craps out. I would call that the standard installation scenario today for a desktop - 60GB SSD plus user files on the HDD. For laptops 128 or 256GB SSDs are more advisable.
I still don't understand why people install big SSDs on desktops - a waste of money. My desktop 60GB SSDs are always half empty. I even have enough space to run at least 1 virtual partition on them. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
09 Dec 2012
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#14 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Los Angeles, CA, USA |

Quote: Originally Posted by whs I still don't understand why people install big SSDs on desktops - a waste of money. My desktop 60GB SSDs are always half empty. I even have enough space to run at least 1 virtual partition on them. Some people prefer to have lots of free space available on the system partition, I believe Windows also simply performs better when it has lots of free space to work with.
I don't use an SSD since I don't see nor have a need for one, but I still partitioned 200GB of a 1TB HDD for my Windows partition; it currently has ~99GB free right now and I'm glad I partitioned a large portion for Windows to "om nom nom" on. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A (custom-built) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 2700K @ 3.5GHz (TurboBoost disabled) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4x4GB) Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz @ 1333MHz Graphics Card Nvidia EVGA GeForce 560 Ti 448 Cores Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio (motherboard integrated) Monitor(s) Displays NEC Multisync EX231W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 @ 60Hz via DVI-D Keyboard Steelseries 6Gv2 Mouse Steelseries Sensei RAW Glossy, Logitech M500 PSU Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 Case Antec 300 Cooling Air-cooling Hard Drives 2x Western Digital 1TB SATA3 Caviar Black Internal HDD // 1x WD 500GB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 1x WD 1TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 2x WD 2TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Chromium, IE9 |
10 Dec 2012
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#15 | | Windows 7 Ult X64 Melbourne, Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck These horror stories are just that, "stories". Many people on here have SSD's and I have not heard of one that has a problem. In my opinion, they are every bit as reliable as a HDD. == You ask about "seek time". If you put your OS and programs on your SSD, you will be amazed how fast they are. From the time you click your mouse on an icon until the program opens is one second. That is speed. Sorry to chime in here, but, I had a OCZ Vertex 3 120GB. It lasted 8 months. It had my OS and programs on it. All user data is on a spinner. It was used on my server, so it was not heavily used. Basically it ran WSUS, IIS and little else.
The SSD is being replaced under warranty. At the time I purchased it the cost was $278.00. Now a 128GB vertex 4 is under $100.
In my case, the SSD was either not detected at boot up, or if it was detected it could not boot. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Made OS Windows 7 Ult X64 CPU Intel I7-3770K Motherboard ASRock Extreme 4 Memory 32GB G-Skill C11Q Graphics Card EVGA GTX 670 2GB SC Sound Card Creative Fataility Gamer Monitor(s) Displays LG E2742V x 2 Screen Resolution 1920x10880 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Mouse Logitech Wireless PSU Corsair HX 650 Case Whitebox Cooling Noctua NH-U9B-SE2 Hard Drives 256GB Vertex 4 SSD
1GB Seagate ST1000DM001 Internet Speed Dodo ADSL 2+ 1 mbps Antivirus Malwarebytes Browser IE 8 Other Info Router: D-Link 2740B |
10 Dec 2012
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#16 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
Quote: I have 3 operating systems, so 60 GB probably wouldn't be big enough. I run Windows 7, Win8 and Ubuntu on a 60GB SSD and have 10GB freespace. But that is tight. I still would recommend a 120GB SSD. They are cheap these days. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
10 Dec 2012
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#17 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
I'm thinking most people that buy a Windows 7 computer don't know and don't care to know about MSI installers, moving users around, changing page filing ect. They also don't know what a Linux or Ubuntu is and don't want to know. Windows 7 was made for millions and millions of users that just want a few ticks or keys to use it or install it. To give Windows options that a few tweakers want is not going to happen. Where would Microsoft stop. They could never put all the little tweaks in a operating system that tweakers could come with. Besides it would just raise the cost of the operating system to the millions and millions that wouldn't use them or even know what tweaks are included in the operating system. Does anybody know of a company that has 90 % of the market share of operating systems or any other product sold to the masses that does a better job than Microsoft? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
10 Dec 2012
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#18 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Los Angeles, CA, USA |
In all fairness, a lot of installers for consumer applications provide for either a "Standard" or "Quick" one-click install solution and an "Advanced" option where you can change things like installation directory and installed components. It's not as extreme an idea as you suggest it is. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A (custom-built) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 2700K @ 3.5GHz (TurboBoost disabled) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4x4GB) Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz @ 1333MHz Graphics Card Nvidia EVGA GeForce 560 Ti 448 Cores Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio (motherboard integrated) Monitor(s) Displays NEC Multisync EX231W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 @ 60Hz via DVI-D Keyboard Steelseries 6Gv2 Mouse Steelseries Sensei RAW Glossy, Logitech M500 PSU Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 Case Antec 300 Cooling Air-cooling Hard Drives 2x Western Digital 1TB SATA3 Caviar Black Internal HDD // 1x WD 500GB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 1x WD 1TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 2x WD 2TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Chromium, IE9 Are SSDs the new RAM for boosting system performance? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:17 AM. | |