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Windows 7: Intel committed to CPU socket, for now.

06 Dec 2012   #1
Bearcatrp

Win7 Pro 64
 
 
Intel committed to CPU socket, for now.

Intel Says Company Committed to Sockets | Maximum PC .

Guess time will tell.


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12 Dec 2012   #2
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Thank you Bearcatrp. Good information that makes sense.
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12 Dec 2012   #3
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bearcatrp View Post
Which is pretty much the exact opposite of what the last article about Intel said.

It was a very bad idea then and it's an even worse idea now.

Non socketed CPU's is a huge mistake no matter how you slice it and should only be done because of space restraints, as in tablets and smaller laptops.

Too much FUD being tossed around about this and most of it was pure BS.

I really didn't think that socketed CPU or desktop PC's were going anywhere anytime soon.
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13 Dec 2012   #4
GeneO

Windows 7 64 bit SP1. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bearcatrp View Post
Which is pretty much the exact opposite of what the last article about Intel said.
Well, yeah, seeing that the previous article was an unfounded rumor.
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13 Dec 2012   #5
bdstx4

Windows 7 professional 64
 
 

It will be a few years yet before manufacturing can afford to solder on $50+ cpu chips. The defect hardware cost could
be huge. And beyond Intels control. And I cannot ever imagine higher end-cost cpu ever being soldered. Sockets on good computers are here to stay for a long time. To solder a cpu demands near perfection from manufacturing of the
circuit board it goes on. Maybe with phones or tablets, but a long time to come for a Desktop, Full Laptop or Server motherboard.
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13 Dec 2012   #6
logicearth

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bdstx4 View Post
It will be a few years yet before manufacturing can afford to solder on $50+ cpu chips. The defect hardware cost could
be huge. And beyond Intels control. And I cannot ever imagine higher end-cost cpu ever being soldered. Sockets on good computers are here to stay for a long time. To solder a cpu demands near perfection from manufacturing of the
circuit board it goes on. Maybe with phones or tablets, but a long time to come for a Desktop, Full Laptop or Server motherboard.
What are you talking about?! CPUs have been soldered onto motherboards and other circuity for the longest time, even back when they used slotcards (Pentiums 1, 2 and 3) they are soldered onto boards.

See BGA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array
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13 Dec 2012   #7
bdstx4

Windows 7 professional 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bdstx4 View Post
It will be a few years yet before manufacturing can afford to solder on $50+ cpu chips. The defect hardware cost could
be huge. And beyond Intels control. And I cannot ever imagine higher end-cost cpu ever being soldered. Sockets on good computers are here to stay for a long time. To solder a cpu demands near perfection from manufacturing of the
circuit board it goes on. Maybe with phones or tablets, but a long time to come for a Desktop, Full Laptop or Server motherboard.
What are you talking about?! CPUs have been soldered onto motherboards and other circuity for the longest time, even back when they used slotcards (Pentiums 1, 2 and 3) they are soldered onto boards.

See BGA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array
Respectfully you are wrong. CPU chips are too expensive to chance on soldered circuit board manufacturer. Speaking of Intel Pentium 1/2/3 cpu is going back well over a decade. And they were socketed then. The BGA link you reference was not used for any common computer build years ago.
Having worked in manufacturing, all you need is a few capacitors to fail testing in internal layers in a 10-20 layer circuit board and it is trash. No one can fix that.
Think about when you buy a motherboard today. No CPU. Just a socket. CPU chips
are too expensive to solder, and soldering limits a customers choices.
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13 Dec 2012   #8
logicearth

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bdstx4 View Post
Respectfully you are wrong.
You better do more research before you clam such a thing. Almost every CPU from Intel destined for the mobile market comes in a BGA configuration from the i7 to the i3. All of the Intel Atom processors are only available in BGA packages. And so on.

And for the record. The first Pentium 2s and 3s processors were not in sockets. They were soldered to a board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I...III_Katmai.jpg


And here you are several motherboard with CPUs soldered on: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=Atom&x=0&y=0
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13 Dec 2012   #9
bdstx4

Windows 7 professional 64
 
 

Intel may offer the soldered CPU configuration, but I do not see it being adopted for the Full Laptop, Desktop, Server
market. The Intel core7 is not a mobile processor. They are expensive. If the core 7 ever gets cheap it will be because there is available a core 8/9. When we see the MS Surface Pro released next month, we will see the first mobile i% cpu.
But we are a long way off from soldering a Intel 150-00W cpu on the main board that costs 50+.
I already stated phone and tablet CPU are different.
My last post on this. You have your opinion and I have mine.
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13 Dec 2012   #10
logicearth

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bdstx4 View Post
The Intel core7 is not a mobile processor.
And yet it is sold on many laptops, like the Core i7-2960XM which is Sandy Bridge (quad-core) processor, or Core i7-3940XM, Ivy Bridge (quad-core) processor. Their existence belays your argument. And many of these i7 processors come in BGA packages like I said.

The Core i7-3840QM, the highest Ivy Bridge processor that is not under the Extreme Edition branding, is $600, it comes in a BGA package.

I'm am not stating an opinion. I am stating fact. CPUs are soldered to the motherboard. Which is what your original argument is based off, CPUs are not soldered. But they are!
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