| Windows 7: How 'free trial' web offers can be credit card traps |
29 Dec 2012
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#11 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |

Quote: Originally Posted by FuturDreamz 
Quote: Originally Posted by richnrockville That is one of the best options about ShopSafe, You put a dollar amount and an expiration date on the temporary credit card that the bank issues..
If they try to put another charge against it, it will be declined as NSF or not valid.
Rich Not everyone's banks offer ShopSafe, and they may send a collections agency to hassle you. Hi there
Collection agencies have about as much legal right as my late Grandmothers Dead Cat to collect money or hassle you in any way whatsoever.
On this side of the pond they are usually known as DCA's or "Debt Collection Agencies". These people are the lowest of low life's usually sending out loads of "Threatograms" saying Court action or possibly other sanctions -- they have absolutely no legal right whatsoever and you can safely ignore these vile scum.
The ONLY time people can legally attempt to collect money from you is when they actually PURCHASE the debt -- and these small time agencies don't do this stuff for trivially small amounts of money --they just prey on people's ignorance.
In the UK if these people turn up on your property --just tell them to leave and if they don't they are TRESPASSING.
Case law in the UK has established that the ONLY people who have a right to enter your property are THE POSTMAN and people asking for directions.
(The Police with a warrant can of course enter as can Emergency services like Gas / Water repairmen to fix leaks although the Gas and Water people don't actually have an automatic right - but nobody would prosecute them for entering a house to prevent a gas leak causing major fires / explosion etc).
The same Laws operate in All US states as well as in Europe and loads of other countries as well --NEVER EVER get scared of or pay any money to debt collection agencies.
There are loads of places you can get "Stand alone Credit cards" or top up credit cards --you don't have to get them from your local bank.
Cheers
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29 Dec 2012
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#12 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) Lethbridge, AB |
They are still a royal pain. And do you honestly thing everyone will g through the hassle of setting up temporary accounts for each thing they buy online? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple 17" iMac MA199LL (Early 2006) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) CPU 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) (upgrade) Graphics Card ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory Monitor(s) Displays 17-inch TFT active-matrix LCD, millions of colors Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 Mouse Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 Hard Drives Hitachi 320GB HDT721032SLA360 7200RPM SATA II (upgrade) Internet Speed 4 Mbps Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome Other Info WEI:
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29 Dec 2012
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |
Actually DCAs are allowed to operate in the US, they have to force of law though. As said, they can only threaten and are supposed to do it within the rules of time of day and no calls to a person's workplace. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. |
29 Dec 2012
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#14 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) Lethbridge, AB |
"supposed to"
I highly doubt that companies that refuse to let you cancel would ensure the DCAs they use follow the letter of the law. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple 17" iMac MA199LL (Early 2006) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) CPU 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) (upgrade) Graphics Card ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory Monitor(s) Displays 17-inch TFT active-matrix LCD, millions of colors Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 Mouse Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 Hard Drives Hitachi 320GB HDT721032SLA360 7200RPM SATA II (upgrade) Internet Speed 4 Mbps Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome Other Info WEI:
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30 Dec 2012
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#15 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |
It only takes a phone call to the FTC, they can handle them well. I've done it a time or two. We also have a Do Not Call list that one may enter a phone number and if spammer still call, the FTC intervenes again, it also works. At leat in my case, CA may be different though. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. |
30 Dec 2012
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#16 | | win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
Judge If it is free, what do they need a credit card no. for? When I sign up for something free and am asked for a charge card, I immediately dump the transaction. If you can get by the word "free" and operate this way you won't need the FTC. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BGC (Bob's Garage Crew) OS win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 CPU I3770K Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe Memory G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000 Sound Card Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB) Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW224T (1) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS Wireless 3000 V2 Mouse MS Wireless 3000 V2 PSU CoolerMaster 1000 Watt Case CoolerMaster HAF X Cooling CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N Hard Drives SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
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30 Dec 2012
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#17 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |

Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead If it is free, what do they need a credit card no. for? When I sign up for something free and am asked for a charge card, I immediately dump the transaction. If you can get by the word "free" and operate this way you won't need the FTC. True enough. I wasn't speaking of a free offer issue in my case, just how things are. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. |
30 Dec 2012
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#18 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit In a house with a cat trying to kill me |
I read an article recently that says collection agencies are now turning to FB & Twitter to try to collect from someone. If I remember right, one of the cases involved a collector that friended the person under a alias, then sent notices through FB to her family & friends, making them "aware" that the person owed a debt. Naturally, the person was highly upset over this is taking them to court over this.
We're going to see a whole new set of laws written here soon concerning online methods of collection practices. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Hell oh Well OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz Memory Not much with my ADHD Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 Monitor(s) Displays I have one...It's bright. A 19 inch CRT actually. Keyboard It's 10 years old and amazingly still works Mouse Same deal with the mouse, 10 yrs old, if it ain't broke... Case Don't get on my case...man :D Cooling I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi Hard Drives 250 GB Main Drive, 2 - 1 TB Externals, various FD's. |
30 Dec 2012
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#19 | | Windows 7 Home 32 bit Phoenix |
I agree 100% with jimbo45 - the way to handle these offers is with prepaid cards. I've been signing up for free/trial offers that require credit card numbers all over the Internet since the late '90s, and since prepaid cards have become widely available in the past few years I've shifted to using them exclusively for these types of trials and have never had a problem. The site jimbo45 referenced looks great for the UK. If you're in the US like me I'd recommend creditparrot.com (which is where I found both of my own prepaid cards, click on the "Debit Cards & Prepaid Cards" link on the left for a large variety).
FuturDreamz, these aren't temporary accounts and you don't need to set up a new one for each thing you buy online. You only need one, and then you pre-load it with only a small amount of money so that if someone tries to charge you for something you didn't agree to and it exceeds your balance, the transaction won't go through. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell OS Windows 7 Home 32 bit |
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That's why I always say to myself nothing is free in this world  ! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Me :D OS Windows 7 CPU AMD X6 1090T 4.02Ghz Motherboard ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Memory 10.00GB Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce 470 Sound Card ASUS Xonar DX Monitor(s) Displays Dell 24" Monitor Keyboard Sidewinder X6 Mouse Sidewinder X8 PSU 700W Crosshair Case Antec Three hundred Cooling Water Cooling Hard Drives 2TB WD
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