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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

28 May 2013   #1091
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
What exactly am I missing --and I'm a lowly Engineer so the hotshots at Ms who actually DESIGN and WRITE windows should be able to understand far better than me.

A DESKTOP OS is totally different in operation and conception from a MOBILE PHONE / TABLET OS -- so why on earth have Ms apparently given up on the desktop - desktops (probably in the form of laptops) aren't going away any time soon - there are 100,000's of scenarios where a tablet or phone isn't suitable.

It's just SO obvious that I really fail to understand what exactly Ms's problem is. Make the OS capable in of running in TWO user selectable modes. Can't be that difficult - after all people have added 3rd party stuff like Start 8 etc.

I have to surmise that it's really case of egos and politics.

Let's hope somebody starts teaching "Real world situations" to these guys.

Cheers
jimbo


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28 May 2013   #1092
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Jimbo that is why I think it's a board room problem at Microsoft. I truly believe they have the quality personnel to make Windows 8 satisfy both markets. Permission to market such a operating system has to come from those at the top.
As you know and stated 3rd party programs are making Windows 8 more desktop/laptop friendly. I have to believe that the programmers and engineers at Microsoft could of done the same and better if they were allowed to.
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28 May 2013   #1093
Lone Browncoat

2000Pro,XP SP3 x86..W7 on next build
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
Thanks for that Link, I had missed all that activity with Windows 2000, probably my favorite operating system from Microsoft. I may take it out of it's virtual machine where it currently resides and give it a run on an old computer.
Go to msfn if you want to access 4-8 gigs using the /PAE switch, more for the server versions and there is a thread there on running on modern equipment,which was already proved, including beyond two cores/processors. I may go back when I have a spare machine to fool around with.
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28 May 2013   #1094
McRuff

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lone Browncoat View Post
Go to msfn if you want to access 4-8 gigs using the /PAE switch, more for the server versions and there is a thread there on running on modern equipment,which was already proved, including beyond two cores/processors. I may go back when I have a spare machine to fool around with.
Thanks Again.
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28 May 2013   #1095
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Jimbo that is why I think it's a board room problem at Microsoft. I truly believe they have the quality personnel to make Windows 8 satisfy both markets. Permission to market such a operating system has to come from those at the top.
As you know and stated 3rd party programs are making Windows 8 more desktop/laptop friendly. I have to believe that the programmers and engineers at Microsoft could of done the same and better if they were allowed to.
Sounds reasonable! However, more likely senior management than Boardroom. The Board signs off on what they hope is reasonable advice. The senior managers are the ones pulling in the big $$ - figure that one out.
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28 May 2013   #1096
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Jimbo that is why I think it's a board room problem at Microsoft. I truly believe they have the quality personnel to make Windows 8 satisfy both markets. Permission to market such a operating system has to come from those at the top.
As you know and stated 3rd party programs are making Windows 8 more desktop/laptop friendly. I have to believe that the programmers and engineers at Microsoft could of done the same and better if they were allowed to.
Sounds reasonable! However, more likely senior management than Boardroom. The Board signs off on what they hope is reasonable advice. The senior managers are the ones pulling in the big $$ - figure that one out.
The senior managers are not the ones calling the shots as far as how the end product will look. They simply see that it is made to work once they are presented with the designs someone else came up with! "We want RT gui tablet gui on Windows 8! We want desktop to look just like tablet and Win phone! Make it happen or else!" daaaaaa...
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29 May 2013   #1097
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Someone in the upper branches of the Microsoft tree, what ever title they have or someone wants to call them made the decision to have Windows 8 the way Windows 8 is.
The workers, the ones who actually create a operating system I don't believe make that decision.
I do believe the workers, the ones who put the rubber to the road can make a operating system just about anyway they are told to by the ones at the top of the corporate ladder, with in reason.
I do not know the corporate structure of Microsoft and don't want to know so I can't put a title to who/they ever made that decision.
All the bosses (what ever title they have) could just go to the proper department heads. Let them know that research has shown that are existing billion customers don't like about Windows 8. What would it take to make those billion existing customers happy so they will buy Windows 8. We don't want to loose sales to these people. Then the bosses could go down the hall to the Office program department. Folks the people who use Office ever working day are not happy at all with our new Office. What would it take to change it to make them happy. We don't want to loose sales to these people.
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If I was the Microsoft corporation god I would not let someone mess with my product that would cause the loss of hundreds of millions of my current customers.
I want my current customers to see value in upgrading and new customer to see value for first time purchases.
I do not want to loose customers from my left hand just to add customers to my right hand. I want both hands full and growing.
Keeping old customers and adding new customers is the direction this company has and will continue to do business.
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29 May 2013   #1098
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
Money Talks



Advice or criticism will largely go unheeded. When the net (bottom line) starts shrinking heads will roll and the course will change.
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29 May 2013   #1099
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I think you posted the magic word HammerHead "NET"
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29 May 2013   #1100
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Generally MS has various dept.s to begin with. When looking at the number of blogs for IE, and other things at TechNet or MSDN you get the general idea that each part of the OS has a separate team working on things and then a few others fitting the pieces together for the end product. The gui and theme area is a separate area where someone in charge was told to come up with something for Surface Tablet which they did. Someone who pieces the puzzle together was then told to take Surface and use that for the new 8 destkop releases as well. "We want everything to be looking exactly the same!" was a marketing decision when tossing Surface out and promoting it to take IPxxx and Andriodism. Since 7 was an instant success for the desktop MS with it's vast resources wasn't too worried about seeing a large volume of sales for the desktop but pushing tablets out! Can't buy Pro Plus on media only seen for 8 and 8 Pro editions? You know something is up when MS starts making those kinds of changes!
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