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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

28 Jun 2013   #1301
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

This has been the entire issue from the start. MS simply worked out a Tablet gui for Surface and stuck in 8! The core itself would be equal to an updated but stripped 7 core with a tablet gui tossed on it fast great for 8 Compact Edition and tablet but not to be considered a suitable replacement for the desktop side of things.

"Well gee..." asks the OEMs "what do we put on our new pcs?" with the MS answer "well you can still point and click on the large tiles so we'll stick the Windows 8 name on it and call it a day!" leaving everyone hanging from there while MS ventures off into the mobile market trying to be the late comer taking on the other two giants already well established with feeble attempts. (if you have a W8 tablet tv spot lately you would know.... trying to compare Surface to IPxx?)

I still haven't but will be stuffing 8.1 on a VM having already that a fast temp install on a second might not happen at all since I wouldn't be going with 8 anyways. 7 is here to stay! MS cut things out that I use frequently here as far as WMP while I still keep other players I use that for playback of video captures even while the tuner card itself has it's own rather awkward multi step playback methods which leave you wondering!

Some of the older programs I still am even able to continue using now on the 64bit OS let alone 3 versions newer on 7 will not run on 8 at all which would then require a dual boot which "flopped" here fast when already finding the new secure boot process seen in 8 cause disk errors and OS stalls when dual booting with the 8 BCD not loading 8 from the 7 BCD. The two would need to be isolated completely and not very practical to only occasionally boot into 8 just because it is newer?!

Now this is where the entire process has been a big let down for most! Once a winner like 7 comes along you can suspect the next version would suffer at first a bit since the previous became an instant champion of OSs! You would generally assume however that MS was finally getting it together to actually learn from past mistakes and follow up on the winner 7 story. WRONG! MS fails to learn that lesson of what does sell namely something that works! daaaaa....


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29 Jun 2013   #1302
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lone Browncoat View Post
Well, I had another crack at that W7 machine, what is sorely lacking is that traditionally the appearance tab in the display box has the drop-downs;
Item
Colour Scheme
Font.
W7 is lacking the 'Color scheme' drop-down, but still allows the tedious process of DIY, NH, the stock schemes were usually my starting point to some pleasing desktops [well, my preferences].
MS pointlessly changed the desktop customisation feature locations in Vista.
This was adjusted slightly in W7.
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In W8, they moved almost everything to new locations, just to make customising the OS "more fun".


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29 Jun 2013   #1303
Dallas 7

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post


For example to get at the system Menus instead of using the W7 start menu you can simply press Windows + X key. Windows + M minimizes all running applications and presents you with your desktop etc etc.
Loads more.


Cheers
jimbo

Loads more? I'll bet the average user out there just can't wait to start memorizing "loads more" secret steps to make 8.1 work almost as good as W7.
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29 Jun 2013   #1304
Lone Browncoat

2000Pro,XP SP3 x86..W7 on next build
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
MS pointlessly changed the desktop customisation feature locations in Vista.
This was adjusted slightly in W7.In W8, they moved almost everything to new locations, just to make customising the OS "more fun".
Got more time on it [yes, it was the Enterprise version] last night and saw that, forgot that the clincher for me was "3D Objects", but too much fiddling to get it any where near what I had in mind, it would have been better for M$ to retain the sets of schemes as a base to work from.

Though now I know what I want and how to...just need time to finish the new box, AND I was just told I have to work the 1st of July holiday (time and a half?/double?) ....see what I mean.. !
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29 Jun 2013   #1305
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
@ bobafetthotmail
Of course there are alternative software packages. However, the professional world uses MS Office and sending a Libre office document would send a negative message IMO and wouldn't work if the document (eg Excel) contained macros. I doubt a serious professional photographer would be using GIMP. Then we could go on to specialist CAD packages etc etc.
Libre office can make docx just fine. Excel is mostly used in-house and you can adapt to that.
I have yet to see a photographer that has enough cash to buy a photoshop, and there are plenty of CADs and engineering simulators that work on Linux, even professional CAD/engineering-oriented linux distros like this.

The situation atm is a catch-22, they don't use linux because none uses linux because none uses linux.... and so on. But whoever breaks free from that will help start the wheel turning.
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29 Jun 2013   #1306
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

Quote:
Review: Windows 8.1 widens gap with older PCs

...After some hands-on time with it, the update seems to me like a patch over an ever-widening chasm.

...After spending several hours with devices running Windows 8.1, it remains unclear to me whether a touch-based environment is what traditional Windows users want to accomplish the productive tasks for which they've come to rely on Windows.


...Unfortunately, the "All Apps" page feels like too much. An array of icons easily covers two full screens. Although you can re-organize the apps into categories, alphabetically, by date installed or by frequency of use, there are too many icons to make it easy to


Plattsburgh Press-Republican -AP News
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29 Jun 2013   #1307
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post


For example to get at the system Menus instead of using the W7 start menu you can simply press Windows + X key. Windows + M minimizes all running applications and presents you with your desktop etc etc.
Loads more.


Cheers
jimbo

Loads more? I'll bet the average user out there just can't wait to start memorizing "loads more" secret steps to make 8.1 work almost as good as W7.
i'm rushing to get my note pad now to take dictation on .... Like "H"! Can you be sure everyone wants to even bother to learn all those keyboard shortcuts over simply having the conventional wisdom of simply seeing a "Desktop" gui on a desktop machine?

If you are taking Clerical or some other ismilar office orientated type document processing/handling course where typing is required then you would be in a position to familiarize yourself with some extra items to add to the list. But when you are out there pointing, clicking, scrolling with mice only with traditional desktop OSs and then run into a Tabloidlet type gui where things are scrambled up you soon find yourself pounding your head.

Does 8.1 still require the ModernMix app in order to have windowed apps running? I suspect you wouldn't see that addressed since it is still a tablet gui and cannot be anywhere close to 7 at the front office! Under the hood you have the basics while the dressing is still lacking as far as the desktop platform for which 8 was never intended to begin with just simply made available so MS could say they had something new out. No matter how you try you are still going to be taking home a tablet not desktop OS.
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30 Jun 2013   #1308
Dallas 7

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post


For example to get at the system Menus instead of using the W7 start menu you can simply press Windows + X key. Windows + M minimizes all running applications and presents you with your desktop etc etc.
Loads more.


Cheers
jimbo

Loads more? I'll bet the average user out there just can't wait to start memorizing "loads more" secret steps to make 8.1 work almost as good as W7.

i'm rushing to get my note pad now to take dictation on .... Like "H"!

I'm with you Night Hawk, I'm with you.
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30 Jun 2013   #1309
4wd

W7, W8.1
 
 

Many are not happy with 8, and 8.1's hoax\fake start button did not help at all.

Quote:
Huge protests calling for the resignation of MS CEO Steve Ballmer and the reinstating of the real start menu are taking place in the MS capital, Redmond, and other cities.

Protesters accuse Mr Ballmer of failing to tackle 8's user interface problems.

In Redmond, they have been chanting: "Irhal! Irhal!" ("Leave! Leave!")


ahhh, sorry, it was BBC News - Egypt Morsi: Mass political protests grip cities
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30 Jun 2013   #1310
gregrocker

 

An unmitigated disaster. They remained too stubborn to revert the features needed and desired to continue the perfect desktop experience achieved in Win7, which is what the world depended upon MS for.

It's even clearer now this is due to a new business model where they hoped to monetize apps on a subscription basis - perhaps even the OS eventually.

The effect is to continue the utter ruin of new PC sales, forcing users to decide to buy a copy of Win7 if they want the desktop experience which made MS famous and was perfected in Win7.

There is now a "worst of both worlds" situation where they missed their target for the tablet market by not emphasizing live tiles' advantage over Ipad static icons, while ruining the desktop experience by forcing a touchscreen-format GUI on new desktop PC's.

They may yet fulfill their own mistaken prophecy that the desktop is dying. How ridiculous is that when you consider almost all of the productive work that drives the world economy is done from/on the desktop!

We have a situation now where the MS desktop experience is only offered in Win7, the reason business doing the final migration from XPired is moving nearly 100% into Win7 even after a scare campaign from MS IT publications that without Secure Boot their company PC's would be eaten by BIOS infections - which I've yet to even see.

This makes our mission even more important. I will stay loyal to the OS which made me a techie until the bitter end. They may yank my MVP for not migrating as instructed to Win8, but I will continue here with the top tech team in the world providing the quality support for the best OS ever. This remains the home for Win7.
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