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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

06 Jul 2013   #1351
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

SIW2 I pan fry my Bull frogs.


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06 Jul 2013   #1352
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Do they notice if you heat the pan very very slowly ?

I am not sure it is really true that frogs will not notice if you boil them slowly - but it is a well known saying, nonetheless.
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06 Jul 2013   #1353
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Well by now you realize that "there is a sucker born every minute" that will chew into the "get you coming and going" crud that's being served up! Scroll down using the Apps button at the bottom of the 8.1 Preview to see what's in store for the guilable!

Let's see a look at some of those prepackaged tiles includes: Finance, Food & Drink, Health&Fitness, Music, News, People, replace the word Scan for "SCAM"? naaaa... Marketing gimic!, Sports, Store(MS Store obviously), Travel, and then use the slider to scroll over to the right for what is offscreen and find the things you should be seeing like Calc, NotePad, Paint, Remote, Snipping tool, WMP, etc. with Weather stuffed in between the two screens.

Obviously MS has some new angles being pursued at the same they promote their new Surface Tablet series.
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06 Jul 2013   #1354
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

I can confirm that crayfish do. They make a high-pitched noise and try to jump out if thrown in boiling water. they stay put if you raise the temp gradually.
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06 Jul 2013   #1355
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

The idea is to start with cold water. Then heat it very very very slowly. The story goes frogs will sit there happily until they boil to death.

The saying "like boiling frogs" means doing something slowly so that people don't notice.

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The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
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06 Jul 2013   #1356
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
The entire purpose of metro is to get users into MS online services, ads and other monetising schemes.
And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?
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BTW google adsense is used on this site too, you don't see it because you are a member. That is completely different from what MS is trying to pull.
BTW... Member or not, I see adsense and analytic blocked in my browsers; not just this, but every sites.
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06 Jul 2013   #1357
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?
Those companies did not develop a desktop experience perfected in Win7 which is used for much of the productive work that drives the world economy, and suits consumer needs that are more productive than social. I can knock out a dozen Forums posts on a desktop or laptop in the time it takes to do one on an Ipad or IPhone.

Most of those companies actually created the Social media platforms and content that tempted MS so much to overreact to Ipad and rework their business model to monetize Apps and eventually the OS - completely abandoning it's strength with the productive desktop experience.

Go to any office store or Best Buy and ask them the effect of Win8 on PC sales. Even though they're now being subsidized by MS to take the loss, the fabled decline of the desktop is almost entirely a self-inflicted prophecy. That they think the world's productive work will end up on the Surface is almost pitiable. This is such an unmitigated disaster that it makes New Coke seem like a drop in the bucket.

Are we disloyal to MS when we are the home here to their only successful product, which saved them from Vista and may still save them from Ate? The quality support for the best OS ever has always been right here and we will not be moved to join any suicide pact.
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06 Jul 2013   #1358
Wenda

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32-bit; Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (VM).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Well by now you realize that "there is a sucker born every minute" that will chew into the "get you coming and going" crud that's being served up! Scroll down using the Apps button at the bottom of the 8.1 Preview to see what's in store for the guilable!

Let's see a look at some of those prepackaged tiles includes: Finance, Food & Drink, Health&Fitness, Music, News, People, replace the word Scan for "SCAM"? naaaa... Marketing gimic!, Sports, Store(MS Store obviously), Travel, and then use the slider to scroll over to the right for what is offscreen and find the things you should be seeing like Calc, NotePad, Paint, Remote, Snipping tool, WMP, etc. with Weather stuffed in between the two screens.

Obviously MS has some new angles being pursued at the same they promote their new Surface Tablet series.
Yes, Nighthawk, I agree that most of the apps should be re-named CRapps, but there are one or two that are OK. I use the weather app, and one game (Pinball FX2) and that's about it, app-wise.

But in 8.1, you need never even see the Start Screen, and you don't need 3rd-party stuff to do it. Simply right-click on the task-bar then go to Properties>Navigation. There, you can customise how Win 8.1 starts, and what it starts to. See pic 2 below.

The All Apps screen can be accessed directly now, without having to go through the Start Screen. All Apps is still somewhat shambolic, but new customising options do help. With a few more options (like being able to hide and move tiles more easily), it could become a viable Start menu. The potential is there. See pic 1 below.

There are at least two ways to get a replacement (of sorts) for the Win 7 Start menu without resorting to 3rd-party programs like Classic Shell or StartIsBack. Firstly, there's the old and all-but-forgotten Quick-Launch tool bar.

Enable Quick-Launch toolbar by first unlocking the taskbar. Then right-click on the task-bar and go Toolbars>New Toolbar. Then drill down to C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer. Highlight, but do not open, the Quick Launch Folder, then click on OK. Go back to the task-bar, and you'll see it is enabled. Configure it by moving the two vertical bars, then re-lock the task-bar. Done! See pic 3 below.

There's also a version of the old 'Win 95/98/XP classic' Start menu cleverly hidden in 8 and 8.1 as well. I used it on the Win 8 DP before I discovered 3rd-party fixes, and it works reasonably well.

Enable 'Classic' Start Menu by following Jimbo's tutorial here... More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8 - Page 18 - Windows 7 Support Forums See pic 4 below.

I do agree re the boiling-water syndrome, and I have come in for some flak on EF for my dislike of the always-online, pay-as-you-go direction MS is heading, and my dislike/distrust of the 'cloud' but I've found ways to avoid, both in 8 and 8.1 So long as I have the choice, it's fine. But I'll dump MS like a hot spud the day I no longer have the choice.

Sorry for such a long post, but I do hope some may find it useful or helpful. And no, I'm not trying to convert anyone, or being a fanboi for 8.1


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All screenshots taken from Windows 8.1 preview.


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06 Jul 2013   #1359
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Do they notice if you heat the pan very very slowly ?

I am not sure it is really true that frogs will not notice if you boil them slowly - but it is a well known saying, nonetheless.
I understood what you meant.
Some of the young might not of got it.
Just keep giving little pieces of candy to the unknowing and you will get them hooked on your candy store.
Kind of like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
Cloud cocaine.
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07 Jul 2013   #1360
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

I'm sure I'm repeating myself but it certainly appears that MS want the world to use an "app" oriented machine in a cloud environment. This may be based on the tremendous growth in smartphones, iwhatevers, tablets etc. I believe it may be a mistaken growth path for a company whose days may be numbered because of stronger competitors in this segment. Play in this sandbox but don't bet the farm on it.
Business from small, SME through to Corporate want desktop systems that allow their employees to work efficiently. Even as a personal user I have too many application areas that require an efficient desktop environment. While MS ponders Windows 9/10 linux may slip in.
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