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By the time the RC was out back in 2009 I could easily say that whatever came afterwards would be a herd sell since 7 took off from the start as a working OS! Keeping that in mind you would at least expect MS would learn to follow the trend of success 7 brought in with it for seeing a long to live type desktop experience.
The Google jump on the IPxx band wagon with their own Android as well as seeing Google getting into the OS business along with the trend for phone apps growing as that market grew just wasn't something MS was going to pass up on however. The problem is however is that instead of simply staying with RT as the new OS for Surface as well as ARM they decided the next Windows version would be geared for mobile as well as getting all those online subscriptions sold.
The Pro? MS can jump in on the action producing Surface for less to slam dunk the other two by offering more. The Con? MS seems to have abandoned the working desktop needs when producting a Windows without windows! Instead of seeing a second OS develop and continue for Surface they dumped RT on the desktop by simply filling in the gap not having any new desktop ideas to put out there. End user stiffed while MS ponders on mobile gimics and Cloud.
I haven't gone over everything on the Preview quite yet simply having put it on a VM for the time being as a reference install more then anything. MS simply added the optional settings in the properties rather then any signaficant reverse direction as far as moving away from the desktop platform as it shows for itself.
As far as addon quick launch toolbars already done on 7 as well as having been done to supliement the Quick Launch section on the Vista taskbar previously in order to expand on what could be placed there prior to seeing the pin to taskbar option brought in with 7.(another plus for 7!)
To some extent I couldn't feel sorry for those who rushed to slam dunk 8 CP and RP builds on one drive laptops or desktops running 7 without first considering a full system image and not having any 7 installation media to put 7 back on with. The same could said for 8.1 as far as nor being in any rush to simply try and upgrade over or replace 7.
Options? If you only have one HD try the free version of VMware's VM Player or the Oracle VirtualBox to see 8.1 go on a VM to look it over there. Why trash what you have working now for something most simply won't want to be keeping?!
I think once people actually realize the gimic wares are now being thrown in their faces that will be a wake up call. Metro and now 8.1 are not gradual changes from desktop to subscription but a fast slam dunk being promoted by MS out of the clear "Blue"! Windows Blue that is! And MS sits back and says: "We have a totally new motivation just for you whether you like it or not! Isn't it wonderful?!"
blahhhhh... as the naive typical user is scratching his or her head wondering "What ever happened to Windows i wonder?" Other companies like SUN with their own OS also sit back and watch as they see their competitor dump the desktop platform and come out with an immediate fail just to get in on the mobile/online subscription ideas a bit late.
@NightHawk: Sorry if I came across as 'teaching grandmother to suck eggs' re the Quick-launch, that was not my intention, and that part of my comment was aimed at readers in general, not you in particular. Again, my apologies. My comments here are also mainly for general consumption, except the points of yours I specifically address.
I couldn't agree more with your comment regarding those who 'rush in where angels fear to tread' by installing betas etc without taking a working system image first. Especially since there are warnings literally everywhere advising against doing so, including here and on MS' own site.
All my OSes from XP on have current images, and a new image is taken whenever I make major changes or once a month/six weeks, whichever happens first. Although I'm currently running 8.1 on this machine, both its Win 8 image and its Win 7 image are sitting there ready to go if required. Having a working system image also means I need never fear attempting upgrade installs, if the install fails or isn't satisfactory, I just bring an image over. Easy!
And yes, if 'you' don't want to do that, a VM is a perfectly acceptable alternative. As some of you may know, I collect operating systems, so a program like Virtual-Box is essential to me. Mine currently has 14 (yes, you read that right, 14) different OSes in it, and runs to nearly 45GB in size. I had intended to toss 8.1 in there as well, but I believe that the best way to test an OS (rather than just playing with it) is to use it under real-world, real-workload conditions. So, it's a standalone setup.
I'm also in agreement with you regarding the 'gimmicky' nature of much of Metro. Fortunately much of it can easily be disabled or ignored by experienced users, but, like you, I fear that the inexperienced, or those who simply 'don't care as long as it works and I can get Angry Birds' mob will be suckered.
Once again, I'm not trying to convert anyone, or behave like a fanboi, because a fanboi I'm most certainly not. There are aspects of both W8 and W8.1 that I dislike intensely (mainly related to their trying to drag me into 'cloud computing' in which I have less than no interest whatsoever), and indeed I have copped several blasts from real fanbois on EF, ZDnet and other places for voicing my concerns.
What I am trying to do is offer a balanced view of 8.1 without the FUD or the 'my mate says it suxors, so I won't be installing it' or the 'I tried it for ten minutes, it suxored, I've gone back to XP' attitude, but also without the 'Windows 8.1 is the duck's guts, it's flawless, and anyone who doesn't like it 110% is a dinosaur' rubbish either.
No, it's not perfect, and it will not satisfy the 'h8-ers'. But nor is it an unusable pile of poo that's no use to 'desktop' users either. I've found it to have no impact on my productivity, and if you've used W8 it's easy to learn. All the bogus net-centricity can be turned off, once this is done and the start menu of your choice is installed (if desired) 8.1 is certainly as good as either Win 7 or Win 8 in desktop mode (IMO, better than 8, almost on par with 7), and is way ahead of Win 8 when it comes to Metro. Which you never have to see unless you actually want to.
Cheers, all!
Wenda.
At the risk of incurring the ire of all you other users here, the foundation of what's happening, that is the push to cloud/subscriptions today harkens back to all your sheepish acceptance of this activation nonsense,starting with XP.
(look what happened with AnyDVD)
You gave Microslop this inch and now they want that proverbial mile [and that's a nautical mile, not a standard/imperial] they've said to themselves, "the sheep have accepted activation for ten years now, lets' push the envelope and see if we can get them to pay by the year or month even".
There was even the inside push to kill the previous non-activation Redmond OSs by moving to the use of Visual Studio 2010+ as the compiler as it contains no support for 2000 Pro or the 9x/Me series. Though those smarter than me have created the modified kernels and unofficial rollups/service packs to get around these obstacles. I have mentioned previously in earlier posts.
Which is why, and I admit, I've gone pirate, with XP and two copies of 7-in-waiting. I really don't care, to me that is the main weakness of having a disk-based operating system, other than the obvious viral attacks. It serves them right, from what's-his-name all the way back to Gates.
A page or two back, one poster indicated that in Europe/elsewhere, Linux, in many flavours, is accepted as a viable business alternative. So it was once with the Atari Mega, MegaSTE and TT series, from simple bookkeeping and databases to point-of-sale[complete with card readers] and CADD services and other third-party applications not heard of in N.America because of the *ahem* stigma of Atari being 'just' a game company and unfortunately that was the misfortune of the computer division. Plus the general lack of understanding of this continent's majority. However if those machines ever had disk failures, they could still boot as the ROM-Based OS was still there, loading into memory. Plus Apple, which was also rom-based (search "Gemulator" *under emulators) had a much larger ad campaign in the world's once largest market [us] at the time.
I guess that's all I want to say about cloud/subscription OSs/software and my fond wish that the future would have unfolded differently.
Last edited by Lone Browncoat; 07 Jul 2013 at 13:47. Reason: URL
I don't see why activation is wrong.the sheep have accepted activation for ten years now, lets' push the envelope and see if we can get them to pay by the year or month even
It actually allows you to buy a license without any hardware. Otherwise you would have to buy a disk or a whole machine (for smartphones and similar where there is no proper OS, only ROM).
It's completely irrelevant in stopping piracy, but it's actually useful.
The issue is that they want to stop piracy, and subscriptions/cloud stuff are a good idea.
It's more or less the equivalent of those retarded game DRM that required constant online access to ensure they remained activated.
For a game that is still largely irrelevant, but for an OS it's harder to get away with pirating it if half of its stuff is cloud-based.
This might cause an instant-ban. Generally bad idea to admit. Was a pleasure talking with you anyway.Which is why, and I admit, I've gone pirate, with XP and two copies of 7-in-waiting.
Yeah, here linux derivatives are second most common after pirated XPs. Although pirating stuff is much more prevalent than linux, at least 3 to 1 ratio. All non-pirated medium-sized servers I saw run some linux distro or hypervisor.A page or two back, one poster indicated that in Europe/elsewhere, Linux, in many flavours, is accepted as a viable business alternative.
Lone Browncoat if you don't like or agree with a method to activate a legal copy of Windows what would you suggest?
Their has to be a way for a company to ascertain if their product was acquired in a legal fashion.
I've got heaps of OSes, some MS, many not. Some are open-source, others are not. Some are free, some are not.
But none of them are pirated. I have legitimate product-keys for all my MS stuff except for the really old MS products which don't require a product key. I still have the original disks for them, so I'm covered there as well.
So, if I can manage to run all those, legally, one would think someone would be able to manage one OS without needing to pirate it. It's not as if legal copies, especially of XP, are that hard or expensive to source.
It can't be that hard. Surely.
Wenda.