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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

16 Feb 2013   #131
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I don't know what MS is intending to use that brand protection service for - however, that is one of things MarkMonitor do.

We do know MS have control over the app. store - they dictate what you can get from there.

We also know they have a patented spying method here, to name just one:

Microsoft patent spies on consumers to enforce DRM | ZDNet

From the patent summary :

Quote:
A content presentation system and method allowing content providers to regulate the presentation of content on a per-user-view basis...

The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken."
So they are spying on how many people are actually able to see the content - in your living room.

If MS have any sense, they won't police that themselves - they may license it out - to avoid accusations of spying or even bullying. It amounts to the same thing as they are supplying it.

If win 8 gets a foothold - and the average user just unknowingly goes along with what it is leading them to do - all this is going to get gradually worse.

Hi there
DRM is a desperately flawed business model these days -- it can even INHIBIT business -- for example if I want to buy an e-book from Kindle (Amazon) - but eventually want to read it on a SONY PRS e-reader or even a NOOK why should I be prevented from doing so -- after all If I buy a physical book it doesn't have a restriction for example that I can't read it in bed but can when I'm sitting on the bog. So the DRM could in fact LIMIT the consumers choice of where they get their books / music etc. from.

(The device might also break / get lost / stolen etc etc -- so you might buy a better value product to replace your old one -- so should your entire library now become useless).

Things like Calibre fortunately convert one format to another and removing DRM from e-books is simplicity itself -- but if you DON'T know how to do this (and I'm not saying here how to do it BTW) then your entire e-book buying range will be restricted to the particular store that the device is "tethered to" -- apart from Sony who use the fairly open standard EPUB.

In any case DRM is just another challenge for hackers out there -- when the price of the product is sensible Piracy is diminished quite substantially.

I've bought several e-books at 3.00 EUR -- but I wouldn't pay the 7.50 EUR (comparable to the printed copy) that these often were charged at -- and I of course removed the AMAZON KINDLE DRM so I could read it in EPUB format on my SONY PRS reader (which I prefer way over the kindle).

The same sort of thing will happen in Windows --If not only am I restricted to getting an application from the Windows store but also only being allowed to use it on a specific computer well then I'm off somewhere else. One can argue that the OS (Windows) should have some sort of restricted license --especially if it came as an OEM license pre-installed on your PC - but APPLICATION software should be moveable to a new machine without any problems --whether re-activation or not is required. Updates and releases of application software don't always follow releases in the OS or hardware - and in any case what happens if a software vendor goes out of business in the meantime --there's no reason why you should stop using the application - especially if it's a good one.

Computers do break or get upgraded -- I'd never pay Adobe ANOTHER 500 USD to use Photoshop for example on a new computer -- especially if the version hadn't changed. -- Adobe for once is actually fine in this --you can even temporarily transfer the license if you need to do some work on another computer.

OS software is one thing - but you should be allowed to move APPLICATION software between machines relatively easily.

If we look at what's happening with Office 2013 --seems Ms are making it IMPOSSIBLE to do this -- so I'm starting to look for alternatives.

Anyway the whole DRM issue is 100% B/S as it's not effective anyway, can't be sensibly policed and really irritates users when they find they can't move their music / video / e-books to newer devices.

Cheers
jimbo


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16 Feb 2013   #132
SIW2

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16 Feb 2013   #133
SIW2

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@ Jimbo,

That is the idea - you may have to buy the same thing several times.

You may also be prevented from selling it on /trading it in.

At first, there will be some leeway - to avoid huge public uproar- gradually that leeway will diminish and you will be paying more. Simple as that.

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DRM is a desperately flawed business model these days -- it can even INHIBIT business -- for example if I want to buy an e-book from Kindle (Amazon) - but eventually want to read it on a SONY PRS e-reader or even a NOOK why should I be prevented from doing so -- after all If I buy a physical book it doesn't have a restriction for example that I can't read it in bed but can when I'm sitting on the bog. So the DRM could in fact LIMIT the consumers choice of where they get their books / music etc. from.

(The device might also break / get lost / stolen etc etc -- so you might buy a better value product to replace your old one -- so should your entire library now become useless).
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16 Feb 2013   #134
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Well, guess that's one more reason I'm not touching Windows 8 even with a 10 foot pole. I have enough problems dealing with malware, and sometimes even legitimate software, that attempt to "phone home" for whatever reasons; now Windows 8 phones home to MS about the stuff I install on my system without my explicit knowledge* in addition to incessantly confirming my Windows license?

Yeah, no thanks.

*We probably agree to be monitored in the EULA we never read though.
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17 Feb 2013   #135
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
I don't know hwe it works in the USA but in Europe there are the Data Protection Acts that forbid this type of information from being collected and passed of to 3rd parties -- the only exception I know are these Credit Reference Agencies like Experian, Equifax etc. who seem to be a law unto themselves. It's amazing how Banks and other "Financial" services seem to get loopholes to all these sort of laws designed to help individual privacy. --Even the POLICE need a court order to collect some private data but Credit reference agencies can pass whatever they like about you to third parties --often without your knowledge and sometimes with a total disregard to the actual accuracy of the data they are collecting.

I'd imagine Ms would fall foul of the various Data protection acts however - at least in the EU and EEA countries so I don't expect them to collect data you might download from Torrents etc.

I still maintain though that a Subscription service is a one way ticket to ever and ever higher prices and less choice for consumers - since if the organisation that is providing the service is HUGE it's almost impossible for anybody else to break into it.

People often cite things like Spotify as a decent based subscription Music service -- well for me most decent non Classical music stopped around 1980 - 1990 -- modern stuff tends to sound like the thump thump sound Boy Racers in their cars make (now getting rarer than goodness due to very high insurance premiums for young drivers) so why should I Pay when I have already over 2 TB of music and can listen online to 1000's of Internet radio stations for NOTHING. So the subscription model is not really in a lot of cases a good business model either.

So Ms be very careful where you tread -- I hear there's been quite an interest in Linux again - this time from a lot of people who wouldn't even THINK of going down that road.

Cheers
jimbo
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17 Feb 2013   #136
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I do believe it will also be designed to catch hacked downloads from torrents.
That is how most of the illegal programs,movies,books,music ect. get passed around the world. I don't think they are worried about you making a copy of a movie as much as they are worried about a 1000 copies of the movie being passed around the world every hour.
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17 Feb 2013   #137
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I do believe it will also be designed to catch hacked downloads from torrents.
That is how most of the illegal programs,movies,books,music ect. get passed around the world. I don't think they are worried about you making a copy of a movie as much as they are worried about a 1000 copies of the movie being passed around the world every hour.
Hi there

While not advocating Piracy I'd like to know what possible business is it of Microsoft to check whether I'm downloading Movie torrents -- it's up to the Police (where appropriate) and the COPYRIGHT HOLDERS.

Similarly if I drive a BMW dangerously it's not up to BMW to monitor this but the appropriate competent legal authority / authorities --Highway patrol, local Police, municipal police -if you have them --etc.

Cheers
jimbo
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17 Feb 2013   #138
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Cisco tried to pull a similar "we monitor your data traffic and brick your router at our discretion" bullshit last year with their new "cloud" routers. Not sure if anyone remembers, but if I recall correctly, that brew up such a huge shitstorm all over the internet that Cisco was forced to amend their privacy policies and firmware appropriately.

Haven't even taken a glance at any Cisco hardware since, my trust in them instantly gone since that incident, and if MS decides they really do want to spy at my personal matters in Windows 8 and future versions of Windows then I guess I'll stick with Windows 7/XP for my Win32 needs and seriously consider alternatives like Linux and BSD for the long-term future.
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17 Feb 2013   #139
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

Then I wouldn't call them "enthusiasts".
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17 Feb 2013   #140
HammerHead

win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1
 
 
I Remember Cisco

King, I still haven't updated my router and won't as long as it works. The same goes for windows and windows 8 and yes I am looking at the available Linux options. Depending on what path MS chooses Linux options may get a real boost.
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