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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

09 Jul 2013   #1401
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Yep. System restore is cool but not really reliable. Imaging is and has always been reliable since I started using it.

As for "creeping corruption", I suppose it's something for XP, that accumulates absurd errors and trash everywhere as time passes, forcing you to reinstall every now and then. I always thought XP SP3-from-the-start installs were resistant enough to that if properly cleaned with CCleaner and checkdisked once a month. Vista was a sad joke, but on win 7 this is more or less absent.


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09 Jul 2013   #1402
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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I've had bad luck with System Restore not working so I prefer images. Of course, YMMV.
I've had ~30% of System Restore attempts fail.
Most of those were on XP though.

I've had 2 failures on W7.
There seem to be many different reasons for restore points to either disappear or to fail. If you depend on restore points, you are liable to get stuck. That's why I prefer images that I can manage myself.
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09 Jul 2013   #1403
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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When I tinker I use restore points when needed and with Windows 7 I haven't had any problems.
Despite not having done more then use the shortcut to create extra points if any install becomes too problematic either an image is restored or if the install is a year or longer the drive is simply wiped! Of course I can still wipe the drive at any time despite down time getting all programs back on like finding an image is too old since everything is regularly backed up on two primary storage drives as I go along.

I never have to schedule any backups using an option or 3rd party tool since updates are stored locally not simply run on completion of download and other things like 3rd party tools and apps are seeing multiple downloads to each drive as I go along. Some are also stored on the main drive there for convenience while limiting that a bit to keep image sizes down.

The one other thing Vista/7 brought in besides stability and security has been built in backup options found to be reliable in most cases! Too bad Vista only saw the image option in the Ultimate and Corporate editions while 7 and now 8 see that in all editions. If you don't have Acronis, Norton Ghost, or some other 3rd party ware no worries MS has you covered there! Too bad they failed on too many other things as far as 8 is being looked at.
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09 Jul 2013   #1404
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I'm not saying a backup or image shouldn't be done. I just stated the restore point works well for me.
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09 Jul 2013   #1405
gregrocker

 

A more refined definition for creeping corruption might be any accumulation of problems which remain unsolved or only partially solved that appear to cause Win7 to perform less than we know it's able.

An example would be the relatively frequent browser attacks we see from spyware, adware, toolbars and so-called search services that are full-on spyware. These often come in on the average consumer's PC when they download freeware that pays for itself by whoring for this crapware.

Even if it eventually gets turned off in Add-Ons, uninstalled in Control Panel, rooted out in the Registry by the latest Super spyware cleaner, the effects can linger. I'm connected to my Aunt's PC at a Panera right now (she has dial-up) trying to stave off a remote Clean Reinstall by undoing these effects.
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09 Jul 2013   #1406
theveterans

Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
 
 

I agree. Once the PC is infected with crapwares, there's nothing to bring it back to its performance before the infection. The only way is to clean install or restore a complete system image before the infection.
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09 Jul 2013   #1407
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Greg where is Panera?
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09 Jul 2013   #1408
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

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An example would be the relatively frequent browser attacks we see from spyware, adware, toolbars and so-called search services that are full-on spyware. These often come in on the average consumer's PC when they download freeware that pays for itself by whoring for this crapware.
Can you be more specific. I am aware of Opencandy which can be avoided on install of the free application or removed afterwards. I assume you are not just talking about tracking cookies.
How does one detect these gremlins. If you cannot detect them how do you know they exist in the first place? Won't Malwarebytes or especially Windows Defender Offline pick them up?

Most of us use freeware and it would be nice to remove unwanted hangers on - any suggestions? What is Panera?
I use Malwarebytes and NIS (which claims spyware protection). I also have Spybot portable which I haven't bothered to use yet.
How does system imaging aggravate this problem?
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09 Jul 2013   #1409
Wenda

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32-bit; Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (VM).
 
 

Almost all freeware-carried malware or unwanted programs/toolbars can be avoided by simply reading the installation screens and declining the 'extras', rather than just automatically clicking 'OK', 'OK', OK'....

If a freeware program won't let me install it without the crapware, I simply dump it and look for an alternative.

There's no shortage of them.


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09 Jul 2013   #1410
gregrocker

 

My point is that these infections rarely completely clean up but leave residual effects that are what I describe as corruption. It's buildup is the creep.

OpenCandy is a great example, but there are countless others. There's no reason to ever select any other offered freeware when downloading. But we've all seen the ways they try to sneak it by. The average user just blindly clicks Next.

Another example is fake AV scan infection which many insist they've cleaned up but I've never seen performance return to par. So infection, spyware, et al can be cleaned up and still performance takes a permanent hit, Creeps some more. Many with factory preinstalls never know what Win7 performance can be, Creepiest of all.

Panera is the sandwich shop with free wifi where my Aunt takes her laptop so I can connect to clean up the latest spyware attack. She lives in the sticks and has dial-up.

To try to bring it back OT, here's a musical tribute to Windows 8:

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