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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

10 Jul 2013   #1421
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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Part of the plan. Any wheeze to monetise the consumers. Lovely, isnt it.
Delightful.
The bundlement of blonderment of dillusions! All the things you don't want!

I replace the default search engine which is generally Google-itis by default with Bing not Yahoo or ask.com to get away from the crudwares and now MS is incorporating the things you want to avoid.

("gee you think the FireFox OS is worth anything?" "don't know actually. does it run... ???")

After all the years of needing fixes and service packs to get anything done right they come out with a champ namely 7 and then stuff the works with bunk! Still have to give the Bosh's app a whirl for running the older versions with hardware support as well as figuring out just what will replace 7 when the time comes. It seems MS may not be providing the solution at this rate!


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11 Jul 2013   #1422
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

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Microsoft enlists HP to rubbish Windows XP in order to sell PCs

Even suggests that Windows 7 is an option

...Microsoft usually wants its OEMs and system builders to push the latest version of its Windows operating system, however due to the weight of negative feeling towards Windows 8 and specifically its user interface, it seems that PC firms such as HP are willing to promote older versions in the hope that users will buy something rather than nothing, and apparently Microsoft has gone along.
Microsoft enlists HP to rubbish Windows XP in order to sell PCs- The Inquirer
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11 Jul 2013   #1423
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

(1) I still don't understand the concept of "creeping corruption" with Windows 7. I would like some hard facts. CCleaner used sensibly helps with useless registry entries if that ticks you off but I don't think it really matters.
(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD.
(3) System images are the most important thing to get you out of trouble. They have helped me many times when the unexpected bites you. If your OS drive fails they are there at your rescue. They can actually clean out "crap".
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11 Jul 2013   #1424
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD
I personally don't like to disable restore points on my SSDs because at times they can be handy. I usually allocate about 3GBs for the shadowstorage (even on my small 60GB SSDs) - that is good enough for 4 to 5 restore points.

Some people may be worried about the extra write operations, but I don't think that this is a problem. And restore points are being written much more infrequently than other system files.
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11 Jul 2013   #1425
z3r010

 

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(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD.
Say's who?
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11 Jul 2013   #1426
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

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(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD.
Say's who?
Here
Windows 7 SSD Tweaking Guide
"Disable System Restore (If OS is on SSD) A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click System Protection.
C)Highlight the Drive located on your SSD and click Configure.
D)Click the radio button to Turn Off System Restore, click Ok, and Close"


I have personally found restore points unreliable. I don't dismiss capabilities lightly but when they fail me they go in the bin. Windows native imaging gets a lot of negative comments. It has never failed me and doesn't go in the bin.
Of course these are my experiences - take them or leave them.
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11 Jul 2013   #1427
Fantail

7 x64 | 7 x64
 
 

So the other day my boss wanted to know if I was interested in getting 8 for my new laptop.
Some days I do not understand his humor.
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11 Jul 2013   #1428
z3r010

 

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(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD.
Say's who?
Here
Windows 7 SSD Tweaking Guide
"Disable System Restore (If OS is on SSD) A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click System Protection.
C)Highlight the Drive located on your SSD and click Configure.
D)Click the radio button to Turn Off System Restore, click Ok, and Close"
Ah, nothing official just some random guy in a forum post
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11 Jul 2013   #1429
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
(1) I still don't understand the concept of "creeping corruption" with Windows 7. I would like some hard facts. CCleaner used sensibly helps with useless registry entries if that ticks you off but I don't think it really matters.
(2) System Restore points should be disabled when using an SSD.
(3) System images are the most important thing to get you out of trouble. They have helped me many times when the unexpected bites you. If your OS drive fails they are there at your rescue. They can actually clean out "crap".
Can you explain this for me?
A Backup Image should include everything, including "crap" as far as I know.
If you exclude specific files in the Backup Image, I understand and that could explain this.
I use Acronis TI and exclude the Pagefile, Hibernate, and some temp files to reduce the Backup Image size.
So I know specific files can be excluded, without causing problems...

I too believe in Backup Images and don't really trust Restore Points...
Just read the many threads here in SF where a person cannot restore to a point before their problem started...and they don't have a Backup Image.

The "Pro" I see to using Restore Points is you can get the details of what changed since the Restore Point was created.
Maybe that will help find what change caused the issue...
Even if I want to restore (from an Image) and not use the Restore Point, I like having that Restore Point info available.
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11 Jul 2013   #1430
gregrocker

 

I don't know how much better I can explain it, Michael. It's the accumulated problems which remain or can't fully be resolved, that when they reach a point of critical mass causes the owner to want to reinstall. With a baseline image they can rely on the image itself in place of the reinstall. Images made later don't ever feel as clean to me. It could just be the purist speaking. I believe in investing great work in a perfect install and then saving it so you never have to do another if you don't want.

When I've read advice given here to turn off System Restore to save space on a new install or transfer to SSD, I always suggest they first move User folders off, uninstall and reinstall lesser-used Programs to HD, then minimize the paging file to 2gb if there's sufficient RAM. Before I would turn off System Restore or the modern Hibernate function I would buy a larger SSD.

We save installs here every day using System Restore. It is the first line of defense, automated by Startup Repair if not run manually.
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