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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

20 Jul 2013   #1521
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

For me, Windows 8 sucks. And that is after trying all versions since the first CP appeared on the scene. I tried to be positive and produced a dozen Windows 8 tutorials. But this hybrid UI always gets into my way.

I am currently running Windows 8 Pro in VMware Player and try to keep it updated. But I am not really doing anything with it. I still hope that MS come to their senses and clearly seperate the tablet UI from the PC UI. And those new apps from the apps store I can live without - same goes for the cloud.


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20 Jul 2013   #1522
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Most recent person I came across with win 8 machine said:

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It is annoying, I don't want apps on my laptop - I have a phone for that.
She is not a computer geek or a forum user, she is a 21 year old girl straight out of University. She nailed it straight away.
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20 Jul 2013   #1523
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
.....Of course she missed the point (like some people on EightForums) that many(?) people don't want to transition to the new system (at least on desktop PCs).
Transitioning in and of itself is not a problem. Many people, would gladly transition to a superior OS, but not to an inferior one.
For the purposes of a desktop PC W8 is quite inferior to W7.
Many people were looking forward to the new OS till it came out and they discovered it was designed first for a tablet, second for a smart phone, and lastly for a desktop PC as a mere after thought, and 8.1 was just more of the same.
Indeed.

That is easily shown by the fact that I haven't read any negative comments about the actual improvements (e.g. lower resource requirements).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
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it will also help traditional PC users transition to the new operating system
You will notice a lot of these loaded statements from MS. They automatically assume you will do what they want.

It is designed to appear helpful but is really intended to assert MS agenda

It indicates MS needs to win and MS needs you to lose/give in.
Agreed.
Just like this one:
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“We are being principled, not stubborn,” she told Ms. Foley.
Translation, "We are sticking it to you. Now shut up and do what we tell you to."
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20 Jul 2013   #1524
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
For me, Windows 8 sucks. And that is after trying all versions since the first CP appeared on the scene. I tried to be positive and produced a dozen Windows 8 tutorials. But this hybrid UI always gets into my way.

I am currently running Windows 8 Pro in VMware Player and try to keep it updated. But I am not really doing anything with it. I still hope that MS come to their senses and clearly seperate the tablet UI from the PC UI. And those new apps from the apps store I can live without - same goes for the cloud.
My initial reaction to 8.0 hybrid UI was the same, but the more I use the 8.1 hybrid UI, the more are like it. Instead of getting into my way, it makes starting the applications easier by switching between the start and desktop with the "Windows-key", or as you called it in your tutorial the "Start-key".

It is sort of foolish going from the "desktop --> Start --> click on application --> application opens on desktop", but it is fast, faster than going through W7 "Start" menu.

The start screen with the OEM apps can easily be replaced, just like any other OEM apps in W7:

More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8-stones-8.1sm.jpg

Starting in the desktop pretty much makes it look and act like Windows 7:

More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8-w8.1-desktopsm.jpg

While the desktop has shortcuts for shutdown, restart, and logoff, there's a shortcut for these via the "Alt+F4":

More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8-shutdown.jpg

The "Alt+F4" is also useful for closing and exiting any full screen applications that switches to the start screen. I'd prefer switching to the desktop and I'll try to find a way to do just that.

On my old Latitude D630, no touch-screen, the W8.1 is faster than W7. With the customization in place, I actually like it better than W7 and the hybrid UI is one of the reason, but each of its own...


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20 Jul 2013   #1525
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

I never installed 8. Cannot convince myself to accept the tiles. And I don't feel like paying and wasting time for stuff I don't like if I can avoid it.
Linux Mint (or Puppy linux for that matter) has better performance and lower requirements than 8 and very little driver issues even on oldish hardware.

Unless there is something that works in 8 that does not work in 7, I see no reason to do the jump to 8.
If the situation remains the same, I'll just switch back to using Linux (Mint) and a VM with Windows for some special programs like I did in XP days.
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20 Jul 2013   #1526
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Hmmm, makes me wonder how some people define "enthusiast?" I mean, if they reject W8 can they really be thought of as enthusiastic?
You can love Windows but still end up hating a version to two if you have been at long enough! I'm not just talking XP to present either but watch the direction MS suddenly takes which starts raising flags.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Actually if you're a true PC enthusiast you should at least give Win 8 a go. This way you can truly say what you like and dislike about it.

I've read posts here and elsewhere of so called enthusiasts stating they've never tried it; that reading the negative reviews or hearing from others on how bad it is was good enough for them.

Other classics... my friend tried it and didn't like it, or the "I tried it at my local (insert) store and didn't like it"

That hardly seems credible to me, but....
Here I started off with Dos and 3.1, 95, 98SE, missed out on ME and 2000, 2000 Pro and then into XP which became a Blue Screen wonderment often enough to realize a better Vista and success story in 7 which you would have hoped would have been followed up with another successful OS. WRONG!

8 was looked at from the start but found to be "Flop City" and highly geared to the new line of tablets MS was coming out with. The RT gui and need to now buy or find 3rd party apps over what had been more or less a standard type and expected in Windows types of options were suddenly gone for godd?! I didn't just go opinions but saw the way things were leaning at first sight.

"mommy I want my Windows back!" "This 8, 8.1 don't look and feel right on me desktop!"
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20 Jul 2013   #1527
Cr00zng

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, OSX El Capitan, Windows 10 (VMware)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
"mommy I want my Windows back!" "This 8, 8.1 don't look and feel right on me desktop!"
Look again, Hawk...
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20 Jul 2013   #1528
gregrocker

 

This is what happened to the MS tablet which was intended to show the way for Windows 8:

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In some unknown warehouse presumably sits a pile of millions of beautiful, unused Surface RTs, the tablet computer that was supposed to resurrect Microsoft. Late Thursday, the company revealed for the first time that it has failed to entice many people to buy the product, and the software maker made an unexpected, $900 million writeoff on its unsold Surface inventory. The losses don't end there: On Friday morning, Microsoft shed $30 billion in value after its stock tumbled 10 percent.

According to one calculation, that loss translates to nearly 6 million sleek and rather stunning machines that consumers have decided they don't care to own. No matter how the math works out -- the company would not provide exact sales numbers -- that heap of Surfaces just burned a nearly $1 billion hole in Microsoft's pocket.

The irony of the Surface debacle is that Microsoft actually managed to design a product that many reviewers admired, but it failed anyway -- underscoring the degree to which this once-dominant technology company appears to be past its moment. Good, bad or mediocre, the Surface was apparently doomed on arrival because that arrival was way too late, with the market already claimed by Apple’s wildly popular iPad.

How did such a powerful company manage to engineer such a colossal loser?
Microsoft's Surface RT Didn't Have To Be A $900 Million Disaster
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20 Jul 2013   #1529
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

Another reason why Steve Ballmer should be replaced.







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20 Jul 2013   #1530
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Steve Ballmer is a wonderful person. Just keep him with phones and tablets and the hell away from PC's and Laptops.
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