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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

26 Aug 2013   #1751
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.


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26 Aug 2013   #1752
Windows Boy

Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.
Really? From all the Google searching I've done trying to find all the things I need, I can tell it's quite common. There are many applications and programs that can change your UI to look like W8 and many ways to tweak your system to imitate the looks of W8. I personally really like the look of my W7 now.
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26 Aug 2013   #1753
Dallas 7

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.

That's definitely a first for me too.
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26 Aug 2013   #1754
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
I'd caution the use of Windows delivered graphics card drivers. After one bad experience I'd recommend going to the manufacturer's website. In my case it is NVidia. I also prefer manual updates to my printer drivers. So I select automatically notify but let me select.
Agreed.

In my case I foolishly let it apply an update for my USB 3 driver.
It totally screwed up my USB ports.
Rolling the driver back didn't fix the problem.
I had to reimage my PC to fix the problem.

Driver updates are a menace, whether you get them manually or automatically.

There was a period (a couple of years ago) when every second NVidia update caused problems on my PC.
I was getting the updates from NVidia manually (i.e. it wasn't a Windows Update problem).

I've also noticed that graphics driver updates always lower my WEI score.
This is regardless of whether it is an ATI card (current) or NVidia card (previous).
I'm using an old ATI driver now, as every update I've tested, has lowered my WEI score.

I guess that is an attempt to trick me into buying a new card.

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I'd also recommend making an image before installing a major driver like a graphics driver and not rely on a system restore.
Just my opinion though.
Agreed.
I can't believe that I was able to keep my PC running, in the days before I installed Macrium Reflect (~4 years ago).
A factor would've been that I never bothered to get driver updates.

I guess that I know I have backup images now, so I'm more inclined to experiment.
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27 Aug 2013   #1755
Wrend

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64bit, Debian GNU/Linux 64bit (virtual machine on a RAM drive)
 
 

Here's any easy one for you: If you like the layout of Windows 8, get Windows 8.
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27 Aug 2013   #1756
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.
Really? From all the Google searching I've done trying to find all the things I need, I can tell it's quite common. There are many applications and programs that can change your UI to look like W8 and many ways to tweak your system to imitate the looks of W8. I personally really like the look of my W7 now.
The most common approach many will opt for is trying to make 8 look like 7 with the use of 3rd party apps like Classic Shell, Start8, Start Menu 7, etc. due to not liking the Metro gui to begin with. Some pin their programs folder to the main taskbar as an alternative approach to getting past the changes MS made which favors the tablet by design.

As for deciding on whether or not to go with 8, 8.1 the Preview could have been installed on a VM for a fast look without effecting your present situation any. Have a spare drive or partition and simply creating a full image backup of 7 ahead of time can save a world of hurt if you are not able to reinstall the previous after finding you don't like 8. These are options people tend to forget about often and then panic when dumping 7 for 8 and then wanting to go backwards.

The Pros and Cons I found with 8 excluding Metro or "Modern" gui are for the Plus factor MS finally put in a working system protection namely a working Security Essentials and trimmed the fat as far as a speedier OS. But that also is where the Cons come in when MS stripped away the usual "desktop" features like the Media Center, dvd playback support(video codecs, etc.), and a few other things like no user setup options! to suit the needs of the tablet.

To come down to the basics if you want a desktop OS stay with 7. If you are fine with tablet touch&swipe then 8! If you want the usual and quite often expected to find features 7. For just a faster boot and not much else but an improved MS SE under another name(Windows Defender) once again then you would go with 8.

Here I run a desktop and want a desktop OS that works. 7 is the winning formula! For the next they may only see "new" and don't pay much attention to the differences. And as for driver updates it can be a real pain at times like finding the drivers for the main board here with the same make and model used on two different 7 builds! A lot of the stuff on the software cd was still 32bit while the old build now seeing 7 again that was passed along was just worked on and not one hardware update beside ATI and the Realtek Gigabyte family controller driver for the nic was listed in the 131 MS optional and important updates with a fresh install of 7 just performed!

The usb WiFi adapter used for just the install, activation, and updates refused to work at first until getting the usb controller drivers to go on(USB 3.0 part of that) and then the adapter ware which was disabled later in case of future need while being hardwired by nic card. I didn't have a 14ft ethernet cable onhand to run to the router directly when getting that up and running again.

The first big tip when planning a clean install however is going to the support site for each hardware ahead of time to download and save what will be needed in preparation. Once up and running and checking the updates you will then only need to worry about the Windows updates and none other since the latest for each item was already installed! The same for the onboard audio chip if you have a separate card installed. You toss the onboard drivers on but disable the onboard either in the bios or DM to avoid conflict with the expansion card.

This also applies to 8 as well as previous especially when drivers were late for Vista! Try waiting a full year to dump XP off of a second drive since the older was needed just for one hardware back then! The manufacturers can be ssssslooooo eeerrrrrrr then mooo llaaaas sses at times! MS Stressed OEMs to have support ready for 7! But once again there wasn't hardly anything ready for 8 when first launched.
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27 Aug 2013   #1757
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.
I have ...
well close anyway..

Use a cutdown version of Win7, with JRiver and a touch screen monitor, as a music player.

Still, it's easier to control it via network than the touch screen...
or the tablet(andriod) or iPhone.
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27 Aug 2013   #1758
Wrend

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64bit, Debian GNU/Linux 64bit (virtual machine on a RAM drive)
 
 

I use Windows 7 on my Nexus 7, and it's about as easy as using Windows 7 on a laptop with a touch pad, so I don't really get the advantage of Windows 8, but I guess that's just me, maybe.

To each their own, I guess.

What throws me for a loop though is that (if done well enough) I'd want my Android/"smart" devices to have a more "Windows" like GUI, not the other way around. To have a desktop GUI modeled after a handheld device is completely backwards, in my opinion. It's like sending professors to middle school for extended field studies which aren't education related. It's the dog chasing it's own tail on the hunt because it forgot what it was doing otherwise.
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27 Aug 2013   #1759
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

Quote:
Steve Ballmer's 13 years as Microsoft CEO leaves a mixed legacy with little vision

....Ballmer's late-to-the-game approach over the past 13 years hasn't fully moved Microsoft on from the shadow of Gates and the PC, and he'll never get the chance to fix that himself. Instead, his retirement is an admission that he isnt the best person to transform a software giant into a devices and services company. Hes restructured the company in an attempt to achieve that goal, but the hardest work the job of actually executing the strategy will be left to Microsoft's next boss.

Steve Ballmer's 13 years as Microsoft CEO leaves a mixed legacy with little vision | The Verge
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27 Aug 2013   #1760
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

Quote:
Windows 8.1 Hits RTM, Aims to Win Back Customers

...Windows 8 started off a promising concept, but fell victim to a myriad of flaws and shortcomings, which have led to the biggest percentage drop in PC sales ever. One major issue was the scope of the redesign -- Microsoft dropped a very new and different interface on consumers with the graphically rich "Modern UI" (aka Metro) homepage and a slew of new multi-touch gestures. Where other similarly complex OSs such as Android include a built-in tutorial that helps teach users how to use the new UI, Windows 8 had no such tutorial. As a result many customers wrote Windows 8 off quickly, "downgrading" to Windows 7.

Other critical flaws in Windows 8 include Microsoft's inability to enforce its intended touchscreen requirement -- a critical pillar of the optimal Windows 8 consumer experience -- and Microsoft's unwillingness to listen to customers who wanted a backup traditional Start Button/Start Menu when in Desktop Mode.
DailyTech - Windows 8.1 Hits RTM, Aims to Win Back Customers
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