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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

28 Aug 2013   #1761
Night Hawk

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Between those two articles don't expect much! When they cut the desktop down to suit tablet and phone it was like cutting arms and legs off as far as what too many users seem to feel. Most simply do not want any mobile or mobile looking OS on their desktops.

The second article rather sums up the discouragement most feel about 8 on MS forcing touch&swipe onto everyone without any user option being thought out ahead of time showing a relatively naive approach to passing off the latest! The new Start button still suits tablet and touchscreen far more then ever will for the typical workstation's point and click ops.

8.1 as indicated there is the last ditch effort to save 8's face rather then admit they went astray from the working formula 7 brought in as far as the desktop platform is concerned. For tablet however it may still prove to be a winner in the long over the competition! That is yet to be seen however.


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28 Aug 2013   #1762
Windows Boy

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So with a pretty much failure on the PC platform with Windows 8, does that mean they're going to work a little faster on releasing the next OS?
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29 Aug 2013   #1763
Night Hawk

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Windows Boy View Post
So with a pretty much failure on the PC platform with Windows 8, does that mean they're going to work a little faster on releasing the next OS?
If you look back at the Legacy days of 98 they worked fast to come out with 98 Second Edition since the first was headed to Flopville in a hurry! Then XP was rushed out with countless errors to replace a failed ME version!

Does that mean they will rush a 9 out? Hopefully not but reflect back on what was brought in with 7 and the immediate success story when getting back ontrack as far as the working formulas for the desktop platform.

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They certainly give that impression to the greater extent don't they?! What most may be missing however is the market and how that works as far as desktop sales plummeting and tablet, hand held devices soaring! 8.1 will be what 8 should have been as far as seeing a tablet OS look more like what you would normally expect to see for a desktop OS but more compact in form.

Following suit of the other guys hand helds where you typically see apps for download for your phone or IPxx whatevers you see the Metro apps for the tablet side of things rather then an OS already preloaded with a ton of features. If you catch a local tv report for example they'll tell you about their mobile app at their site for download in order to follow their news, weather, etc.

The simple mistake most are making is automatically 8 and 8.1 are the nextt desktop OS to follow 7 when in actuality MS moved off to the other platform with RT on their own brand of tablet. Software/IT developers still needed to be able to run 8, 8.1 on desktops however in order to design the new apps to be seen as well as those that already seen out for 8.

Even the OEMs realized the redical changes MS was making and came up with their own Start menus in order to push 8 out on their new desktops, laptops. You can still run them on desktops but should remember these are geared towards tablet
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29 Aug 2013   #1764
Dallas 7

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Windows Boy View Post
So with a pretty much failure on the PC platform with Windows 8, does that mean they're going to work a little faster on releasing the next OS?

Thats a pretty good question. I think the answer is going to depend on the consumer.
Even though M$ has made some mistakes in the past, they always tried to meet the needs and desires of the consumer. That's how we got W7 which is a truly great desktop OS.
But now M$ has changed course and is at odds with consumers over W8. They're trying to dictate to us what we should like and what we're going to get, whether we like it or not. No options, just do what they say because they know best.

W8 is designed and optimized for touchscreens ala tablets/phones, with desktops considered only as an afterthought. With 8.1 they just doubled down, giving us more of the same, with very little meaningful change we were hoping for.

If consumers reward M$ for devaluing the desktop PC and converting everything to touchscreen swipe & smears by buying W8, then we can expect more of the same garbage and same attitude from M$.

On the other hand, if the consumer tells M$ to stick W8.1 in the same place they told them to stick W8, then maybe M$ will start acting a little more consumer friendly and less like a dictator.
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29 Aug 2013   #1765
SIW2

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That is pretty much it.
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29 Aug 2013   #1766
Lady Fitzgerald

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
...On the other hand, if the consumer tells M$ to stick W8.1 in the same place they told them to stick W8, then maybe M$ will start acting a little more consumer friendly and less like a dictator.
The sooner Ballsmore is replaced, the better the chance that will happen.
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30 Aug 2013   #1767
Night Hawk

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 View Post
...On the other hand, if the consumer tells M$ to stick W8.1 in the same place they told them to stick W8, then maybe M$ will start acting a little more consumer friendly and less like a dictator.
The sooner Ballsmore is replaced, the better the chance that will happen.
The direction MS has taken with 8 and 8.1 won't make any difference with or without Ballmer! This is the end result of finally having a working desktop OS out(7) where they can now suddenly focus on grabbing up mobile market interests at the expense of the consumer.

Another thing being missed is why 8 when you see RT on Surface? Solaris runs only on SUN, Mac-aroni runs on Fruit baskets, and now RT runs only Surface revealing a prepriotary involvement leaving MS with the need for an over the counter OS you can stick on any other tablet that has support.

You can imagine in the MS board room shouting: "Hey what about all those other tablets? We can't allow RT to go on them since that's out baby! Besides we already have a good desktop OS out. People can wait!" And that is precisely what we will be doing is waiting and waiting to see if MS will slip up again or learn something from the W7 success story?!
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30 Aug 2013   #1768
BlueGuy

W7 Ultimate 32-bit
 
 

In the beginning, the transition from XP to W7 I had downloaded Classic Shell.
Wasn't needed....turned out I like 7's start menu and all M$ Explorer needs is an up
button, available in Explorer++, so I have both the desktop and the PortableApps version.
So the former is used for quick peeks, the latter when serious work needs to be done.
Then in 2010 or thereabouts, IownAmoneyPit, made his adaptations of the classic theme.
With "Maple" back and Aero turned off [with a slight speed increase] I was content.

Now if forced to use W8, then the latest version of Classic Shell should come in handy.

Been lurking here for some time, reading all the TuTs and going over answers to questions already asked,
(search is real handy in that respect) just wanted to participate in a few of the more interesting discussions.

-RDC
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30 Aug 2013   #1769
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BlueGuy View Post
In the beginning, the transition from XP to W7 I had downloaded Classic Shell.
Wasn't needed....turned out I like 7's start menu and all M$ Explorer needs is an up
button, available in Explorer++, so I have both the desktop and the PortableApps version.
So the former is used for quick peeks, the latter when serious work needs to be done.
Then in 2010 or thereabouts, IownAmoneyPit, made his adaptations of the classic theme.
With "Maple" back and Aero turned off [with a slight speed increase] I was content.

Now if forced to use W8, then the latest version of Classic Shell should come in handy.

Been lurking here for some time, reading all the TuTs and going over answers to questions already asked,
(search is real handy in that respect) just wanted to participate in a few of the more interesting discussions.

-RDC
Welcome to Seven Forums BlueGuy
I use Classic Shell on most of my installs. I have several Virtual Machines with the Windows 7 Default Start Menu for testing purposes. I agree about Windows 7 being zippier with the Classic Windows 2000 look. I use that on my main system.
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30 Aug 2013   #1770
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Welcome to SevenForums BlueGuy.

I've played with Windows 8.1 Enterprise (64 bit) for a couple of hours.

I have set it to boot to the desktop and to use the "All Apps" view on the Start Screen.
It seems less annoying than Windows 8 seemed.

I get trapped in the Metro settings windows though (maybe because it's in a VM).

Also I notice that the main update window claims that I'm using "Automatic updates", but when I go to "Change update settings", that window says that I'm set to "Check for updates".
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