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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

01 Mar 2013   #201
SIW2

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01 Mar 2013   #202
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Wow, this thread is still going...

Anyway I got free copy of Windows 8 pro, than bought a copy for $39.99. That said, I installed a copy under VM Ware, and after playing with it a bit.... I haven't touched it for about a month and a half now.

I bought a copy of 8 pro and have it set up looking just like Windows 7. I can see no point in Metro Apps except 1, the MAP APP is excellent.

Maybe I'm getting to old, but I have no patience for a tablet based OS on a desktop. Unless Microsoft does something to drastically boost the OS, I see this as an experiment gone bad. I'm not even sure ME (Windows Millennium Edition) flopped this bad but...???
Agree absolutely

That said, the future of computing is going the way of the tablet/mobile computing so any OS producer would be crazy not to embrace now. Perhaps this is what Microsoft is trying with Window 8.

At any rate I wouldn't hold my breath that Microsoft is going to abandon the W8 strategy, they may just change the approach with the new OS; that is make it two prong - one for business/desktop users, the other for mobile business and consumer use.

That would be sensible. XP was available in Home and Pro versions. Prior to that the NT versions were for power users and business and the 9X series were for home users and games.

I think with Windows 8, Microsoft tried to force too much of the mobile side on desktop users. Perhaps they could have left it a little more desktop friendly. This forced approach on desktop users is what's killing the OS as we shouldn't be forced to sign up for Microsoft accounts in order to use our desktops. I understand the concept (mobile computing), but we're not there yet.

BTW I do have a Microsoft Live account, but I'm not ready to put all my business in the cloud just yet.
The recent certificate debacle cements this as the cloud is not reliable, look outside some days no clouds.

Honestly I don't know where 8 will wind up at, but it sure isn't inspiring many to move like 7, or even Vista did. As I've said many times, this is the first OS I've not jumped on. Even ME made me jump.
You can pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands.
My two cents.
Great Post, thanks Tony.
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01 Mar 2013   #203
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

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By making it "Look like W7" in a way is almost tantamount to saying -- I'll buy a Ferrari but I want it to "look and feel" just like a Chevy or a pick up.
Hey Jimbo - love your posts. But I don't think this is an apt metaphor for Windows 7 versus Windows 8.

I see it more as a Ferrari in both cases. But in the upscale model, they've taken away all of the dashboard and console controls and put some of them in the center of steering wheel and the rest are hidden in the ashtray. Then they declared the users should like this much better because it's less cluttered.
Hi there
Thanks .

All I was trying to say really here is that if people are comfortable with Windows 7 continue to use it - however if one can actually just take a "Time out" there are some good features built in to W8 that for a lot of people merit decent consideration -- and with a relatively small amount of work you can actually make W8 behave as a desktop OS without changing the way you work very much at all -- although the initial set up is a bit fiddly.

On the downside for a lot of people is the GUI etc - but on the plus side you get a much more SECURE OS, better hardware support, decent recovery, built in History file changes so it's easy to restore previous versions of files without having to resort to 3rd party backups etc, a proper backup system THAT WORKS, Native VHD image mounting and booting, virtual ISO support so you don't need things like daemon tools etc any more and generally an optimized kernel which definitely does boot and run slicker than W7 in most cases.

At the enterprise level you also get the very useful "Windows to Go" facility - this creates a bootable complete Windows system on to an external USB stick or Disk which will boot and run from almost any conceivable hardware where you can boot from a USB device -- and it's a COMPLETE Windows system where you can install and run applications just like you are running from the Windows "C" drive == it's BETTER than a "Live CD" since it's a real running system.

For roving consultants this is actually very useful -- for example I can have OFFICE 2010 in English on my Windows to go system even if say the basic installed version of Office in the workplace is say FRENCH and version 2007. The I.T people don't have to support 10 zillion versions of office in 200 different languages for example

Some people will like the new OS, others will hate it --- welcome to planet Earth -- Humans always disagree about things -- and why not.

What I've tried to point out that some of the perceived problems with W8 can be overcome without a humungous load of hassle -- now if you don't want to bother --that's fine and I'm sure an SP2 of W7 will have to appear in due course since W7 isn't going away any time soon --

However Mobile and touch devices will become much more prevalent even in "Classical workplaces" so Ms designing an OS to incorporate these devices doesn't IMO seem a bad idea,

Now a load of people don't like this first iteration -- but wait and see what happens later -- XP was universally condemned when it appeared --now people are STILL baying for Ms's blood because they want to keep using it forever.

Anyway I've said my bit -- I'm not Rubbishing W7 in any way shape or form -- I'm just trying to say that you CAN use W8 in almost the same fashion as you use W7 but it requires a small amount of work to do it.

Cheers
jimbo
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01 Mar 2013   #204
LittleJay

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1
 
 

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Anyway I've said my bit -- I'm not Rubbishing Windows 7 in any way shape or form -- I'm just trying to say that you CAN use W8 in almost the same fashion as you use Windows 7 but it requires a small amount of work to do it.
I totally agree. I have the Windows 7 start menu installed on my Windows 8 installation and it works just like Windows 7, but with added security features.
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01 Mar 2013   #205
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
The Linux program library (in Mint) contains over 60.000 programs. There is something for everybody. I have done video editing, Impress (like PowerPoint) presentations, etc. These programs are just as good as the Windows equivalents. You just have to get used to them.

Even the system oriented programs are similar. E.g. Bleachbit is very similar to CCleaner. Installing and uninstalling programs is even easier than in Windows. So there is very little to complain about - if anything, it is the complex Terminal (command prompt). That takes some time to fathom.

I run my Linux distros in virtual. So backup is simple - I just copy the VMware folder to a backup disk. Right now my host system is still Windows 7. But a Linux host is also supported by VMware Player.
At the moment my Linux Virtual Machines are for learning and fooling with. No biggie if I beak it, delete and restore copy. These are running on Windows 7 with VMWare. In the future if the direction chosen by M$ continues I'll be running Windows 7 in a Linux virtual machine. I learnt windows in and out and if I applied it to Linux I am sure I could tweak it to my hearts content. Windows has become an OS of all trades and a master of none.
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01 Mar 2013   #206
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
i see it more as a ferrari in both cases. But in the upscale model, they've taken away all of the dashboard and console controls and put some of them in the center of steering wheel and the rest are hidden in the ashtray. then they declared the users should like this much better because it's less cluttered.
lol

@ Indianatone, thanks.
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01 Mar 2013   #207
Bertison

Windows 7/64 HPremium.
 
 

If it was the case that Ms just did not want to believe that most of us have rejected Windows 8, that must be glaringly apparent to them by now.

The conclusion is obvious that they are just going ahead with all the usual hype, moving the deckchairs around whilst the iceberg looms ahead unseen, amidst a fog of their own making.

I appreciate that there are is quite a sizeable minority who actually like 8, but I like and use desktops, so do many millions more, and the take-up of 8 (as opposed to the number of licenses issued) proves that I am in the majority.

This can really hurt Ms, and I do not like the thought of that. I learned all that I know with Windows, from 3.1 onwards, and many more Microsoft products. That is true of most computer users on the planet. Anything that might affect the ability of the company to progress beyond this glaring mistake, will result in other companies making inroads into Ms' market share. Once that kind of thing happens, it's a long, long way to fall.
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01 Mar 2013   #208
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I don't think there is anything wrong with

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other companies making inroads into Ms' market share
That will keep them on the ball.
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01 Mar 2013   #209
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
I don't think there is anything wrong with

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other companies making inroads into Ms' market share
That will keep them on the ball.
It hasn't yet.
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01 Mar 2013   #210
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

LOL.

Hard to tell if they know it is coming and that is why there is this urgency to cash in on their captive customers now.

Or, if they are trying to get them tied in to MS online - making it difficult to move elsewhere.

Or both.
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