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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

26 Mar 2013   #391
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

It is quite funny on 8 forums.

Personally, I am fascinated watching this unfold.

There are a few on 8 forums who get very upset because they like the little squares and so on.

It is not their fault, MS doesn't want to make it obvious to everyone - it would be a lot less effective if the users knew what they were doing.

I suppose more people will catch on at some stage.


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26 Mar 2013   #392
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Well, since Shawn cleaned the place up, it is a lot quieter. Let's keep it that way.
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26 Mar 2013   #393
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

A couple of the extreme ones have been banned.

Hopefully there won't be a repeat of that kind of thing.

Much more pleasant atmosphere here.
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26 Mar 2013   #394
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I think quite a lot of them will.

You are right about other os.

If something else was generally easily available - Linux on oem machines for example, then a reasonable number would go for that.

Because those are not generally available, MS will be able to migrate most users to phone style os on various size devices.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
The big question is whether the users will put up with that. I am preparing myself for the 'after Windows' times.
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26 Mar 2013   #395
gregrocker

 

When we showed up at MVP Summit 2011 and were told our feedback wasn't wanted on Win8, it gave me a sick feeling. Now that the absolute worst has happened those still with a passion for MS's epic achievement in Win7 should speak out to avert total disaster.

I am typing this from a laptop in Office Depot where I've started spending time studying the most amazing thing: No one is trying the new PC's at all. Not here, not across town, not across the country. They may walk up and take a poke at the Win8 screen but when it doesn't react to touch and they can't find a Start button, they walk away. I am always the only one trying the various PC's, looking in vain for the new touchscreens which surely would have come out by now if Win8 was meant for desktops.

The fact is Win8 offers zero desktop experience. If you configure it to be productive for what the great mass of office workers, writers, even home users want a laptop or a desktop for, then you've added a Start button and maybe gadgets back in....and you have Win7 with a little bit of Explorer improvement.

So Win8 should have never been on these PC's and needs to come off of them now, so MS doesn't through its over-reaction to Ipad trigger the very fear that existed in the back of their minds: death of desktop. The desktop will never die as long as users need a productive, easily intuitive desktop experience to get work done. So take Win8 off of desktops now and return the rightful OS to them, the best OS ever created, which doesn't show a day of age yet.

Put the germane improvements into Win7 SP2 and carry on with the booming 7 sales, especially now that business has weighed the two OS's and made its decision to move 100% full steam into Win7. Any idea that you're going to phase out Win7 now is beyond ludicrous, it's market suicide. If business isn't the market speaking, I dont' know what is.

Then introduce the new touch screens like Surface and other entries starting to trickle out with the OS that complements them, selling the two OS's side-by-side for what they are rightly intended. No more trying to force users who don't want unintuitive desktops, no matter how slick of a social media GUI presented in videos. Users would need months of training to adapt to that. Give them what works now.

Finally please realize what was rudely skipped over and particularly offends us here at the top tech forums on the web because we support Win7: You created the best OS ever and possibly the greatest achievement in tech history, Windows 7.
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26 Mar 2013   #396
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Greg,

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were told our feedback wasn't wanted on Win8
Why would MS care what the MVP's think.

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selling the two OS's side-by-side
MS don't want to do that.

They want to move their existing users to a phone style os.

It is better for MS.

They don't want to give the users a choice of a separate desktop os.
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26 Mar 2013   #397
gregrocker

 

Si, what I'm getting at is that with business now being forced to migrate from XP and choosing Win7 almost unanimously, it would be going so head-on against the market to try to phase out Win7 that it would be economic suicide. In fact the market would correct it if it requires replacing the entire corporate hierarchy. Stockholders don't join in suicide pacts. I think it is that dire.

Converging you also have the Win8 sales which are dead in the water. The big box stores are seeing no Win8 PC sales except online and those unsatisfied customers are returning them to the stores. They want Win7.

Here would have been a way out: to easily upgrade Win8 to Win7. But they've been stubborn about even that. So they are faced with ruin unless they relent, put Win7 on desktops and laptops with an SP2 soon, Win8 on touchscreens, and/or give users a choice at the bare minimum.
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26 Mar 2013   #398
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Business can stay with 7 for a while - it will be supported , of course - MS can't pull support - that really would be suicide.

They are going for the consumer.

MS have monetised business well. Now they are monetising the consumer.

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you also have the Win8 sales which are dead in the water
8 sales would be even worse if something else was generally available.

MS are prepared to subsidise oem's, and wait for the users to cave.

It is starting to happen a little. Users cannot hang on forever - and if the prices come down enough - they will go for it.

That is the plan.

MS can do that because they have monopoly power.
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26 Mar 2013   #399
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

To me the answer is just to simple for Microsoft to understand.

Choice is the answer.
Not Microsoft's choice but the consumers choice.
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26 Mar 2013   #400
Lone Browncoat

2000Pro,XP SP3 x86..W7 on next build
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by x BlueRobot View Post
Unless we all stay with Windows 7, then I guess many users may switch to Linux.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
There are a few on 8 forums who get very upset because they like the little squares and so on.
That's because the majority of today's users want Jake Sisko's Padd [from ST-DeepSpace9] or even more aka Avatar or Minority Report like Alvin Pascual from that Blue article quoted.

Myself, I like building desktops, determining what components i want to install, from mobo features to video cards to the type of tuner cards [MyHD MDP-130] and the choice of running legacy hardware and/or applications.

Though most people don't build....hence the overtaking of desktops by laptops.
A kind of a reverse from the situation in the 1980s.
Where i was into the Atari computers and also part of a minority that not only wanted to see the company go from closed architecture but in going to open many of us users just wanted the Tramiel brothers to concentrate on developing The Operating System along with Digital Research's front end the Graphics Environment Manager or GEM and stop producing computers all together. Handing over mobo production to everyone else from Asus to Zotac and having just a place to insert the Atari ROMS/EEPROMS, much like contemporary industrial mobos [and some consumer] have slots on the boards for CF or SD cards.
In those days if you were a command line wiz, you were king(or queen) but many of us felt more productive with a GUI, true.....no memorizing of obscure syntax to get things done. Indeed that is why I abandoned my Sinclair and other kits for the ST/TT/Falcon series [and wish i had bought a 4,upgradable to 16MB STacy laptop eventhough it was a battery eater]. The other Motorola 68xxx 32 bit computer, the Commodore did go open,kind of, with their PC-cased Amiga series but by then other PCs were coming down in price and sales were driven by business purchasers and the ignorance of HR types who though Excel was the only spreadsheet, I got so mad at one dame once I brought in a 1040 and monochrome monitor to show her that all spreadsheets followed the same rules and the end result was more important than the tool. For a while though GEM was superior to Windows 3.1 but the public [chiefly in North America] were ignorant of the advantages and the Tramiel brothers refused to listen to their user base, believing they know best. True much of this history took place before the trends to form cross-platform file compatibility but most of you here know that.

Like "whs" I've prepared myself for "after Windows" returning to UNIX after leaving it behind with the Sinclair and other kits. I'm not going to like it though, a little more work involved in preserving the /home directories than just copying the profile folders and .ini from Mozilla products because i like using the
PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB, portable and cloud drives suite.......saves from having to re-install when when going through each OS install, just add the few non-portable utilities one uses and go.
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