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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

09 Apr 2013   #711
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roders View Post
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Who drives innovation and technology? Enthusiasts or consumers?
Hi BR,
With respect it is neither.
It is profit.
First last and allways.
Rgds
I agree to a large extent. I think we move ahead because some people like change for the sake of change - isn't that what science and mathematics is about?


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09 Apr 2013   #712
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

While profit does play a large role, I like to think that innovation and technology ultimately depend on whether we truly want it or not. Take the Apollo Space Program: It were so expensive that the NASA budget could've bought several entire countries, and the financial and technological net profits in the end would've been uncertain given the sheer cost, but we went ahead and did it anyway because we just wanted a man on the Moon! All the goodies that came with it, like advances in computer technology, navigation systems, solar and fuel cells, and rocketry, were mere side-effects to the simple goal of just taking a stroll on the Moon.
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09 Apr 2013   #713
Lone Browncoat

2000Pro,XP SP3 x86..W7 on next build
 
 

Crap...my slow typing allowed two posts to jump in. (go back to page 71).
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09 Apr 2013   #714
indianacarnie

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lone Browncoat View Post
Crap...my slow typing allowed two posts to jump in. (go back to page 71).


Boy..... have I had THAT happen to me before!
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09 Apr 2013   #715
Lone Browncoat

2000Pro,XP SP3 x86..W7 on next build
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by indianacarnie View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lone Browncoat View Post
Crap...my slow typing allowed two posts to jump in. (go back to page 71).


Boy..... have I had THAT happen to me before!
Well, I have a nice little library of Operating Systems now.....all free. If I separate the second capture card from this workstation, then I can go in any direction and use the XP Lite for Home Theatre PCs because they don't have to be on the WWW and still add a HDHomerun to one and have four tuners in the house.
In the coming two years, build backups for those, then it's just a matter of slapping the drives in and go.
They may have an intranet but not need the outside world, manual install of TV listings only takes two minutes and if the clocks need adjustment, get it off the already connected cell phone[plus or minus 5 seconds]. I'd prefer windows because of the PortableApps suite, which can't be used on Linux. I already use open source apps, since 2001.
Maybe learn Myth-TV. 2020 is still a long way off.
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09 Apr 2013   #716
Iforgot

Win7 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there

Oh Dear -- there's a HUGE difference in XP and W7. For starters W7 has the ability to run (decently) 64 bit hardware although most of it is actually done via WOW (Windows on Windows).jimbo
Windows uses the Winsxs compatibility folder to run 32bit apps/drivers.
Come out in Vista.

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XP did have a 64 bit version but trying to design proper 64 bit drivers and a decent security system was just not on -- as is the standard version of XP -- too many glaring holes in the security system meant that without a radical re-write of the OS XP was never going to survive frequent attacks in the new era.jimbo
Manufacturers of hardware didn't need 64bit OS for most drivers, so why would they rewrite a driver

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If you are doing ANY sort of engineering there comes a point whether you can keep plugging leaks / applying patches to essentially an old design or whether you should start again from scratch and design the system taking into account advances in hardware / technology etc.jimbo
The best patch from M$ to stop remote control of someones Windows OS was called SMS.
Ever seen NetLab?

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Even the I/O subsystem of XP had reached its limit -- it doesn't support USB3 or even SATA natively (if you try and install XP on a computer with no IDE drives you'll get the message "No Hard disks found". You have to slipstream the SATA drivers into the install process to make it work). Similarly trying to hive off really fast powerful GPU's away from the standard CPU functions also requires considerable jiggling with the OS to make the multi-tasking work successfully. Some of the modern graphics cards would just blow away the stuff that was around during the (original) lifetime of XP.jimbo
Usb wasn't on XP. didn't turn up till SP1

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Windows 7 whilst a lot newer also has design limitations -- OK for a lot of people who are satisfied with their present hardware -- but the same considerations apply which is why Ms decided to go for an OS that can work in a modular capacity over all sorts of devices.jimbo
Yes on XP, they finally were able to stop and restart the network driver!!!
And the reboot PC fix is a M$ thing, not a computer thing.

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Another area that requires a whole slew of OS changes is to hive off the WOW (Windows on Windows) element in the OS which effectively means you are running a lot of applications in 32 bit rather than 64 bit mode. W8 is starting to reduce the reliance on WOW - and I would expect to see soon the dropping of the 32 bit OS completely with another kernel method used to run legacy 32 bit applications. This type of stuff requires a total kernel re-design and re-write so any W7 users hoping fr an "Improved" W7 unfortunately are going to be sadly disappointed.jimbo
Winsxs again

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OK some like W8 some don't --however as I've previously said NO ONE HAS to use it - but actually those that DO use it find it's nothing like as bad as the original complaints seemed to make it.

(If you were a Car manufacturer for example would you keep trying to jury rig an old model or would you decide at some point - we can't really upgrade this model any more -- we really DO have to design a new one that incorporates all the latest technological advances).

Cheers
jimbo
What major thing M$ change is the user interface to the OS, yes that right the "GUI"
Well NT to XP DotNet Commonly referred to as NotYet
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09 Apr 2013   #717
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead View Post
Change for the sake of change totally sucks.
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09 Apr 2013   #718
Wenda

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32-bit; Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (VM).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mcbeat257 View Post
I absolutely hate windows 8 it's only for Tablet PC's and not other pc's.
That's rubbish, I use both Win 7 and Win 8, and Win 8 works fine with a mouse. You don't need a touch screen. The desktop is still there. It plays all my games. Classic Start lets you ignore the Start Screen, and then you wouldn't know whether you were in 7 or 8.

8 is no better or worse than 7. Just different.

I'd be far more concerned about MS' push to the cloud and subscription-based software, than a new interface that any idiot should be able to learn. Or avoid/bypass.

Wenda.
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09 Apr 2013   #719
Roders

Win 7 Pro 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
While profit does play a large role, I like to think that innovation and technology ultimately depend on whether we truly want it or not. Take the Apollo Space Program: It were so expensive that the NASA budget could've bought several entire countries, and the financial and technological net profits in the end would've been uncertain given the sheer cost, but we went ahead and did it anyway because we just wanted a man on the Moon! All the goodies that came with it, like advances in computer technology, navigation systems, solar and fuel cells, and rocketry, were mere side-effects to the simple goal of just taking a stroll on the Moon.
Hi KA,
While the goal itself could not be said to make money all of the myriad companies that designed and made the rocket parts did so to make money and judging from the huge budget you mention they must have made some quite enviable sums.
Rgds
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09 Apr 2013   #720
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
Source 'borrowed' from EightForums regarding market share

Windows has fallen behind Apple iOS and Google Android | ZDNet
Hence the overreaction to Ipad, creating a bad imitation foisted on productive desktop users who were enjoying the best desktop experience available in Win7.

Ironic especially because the Live Tile improvements had they been focused on tablets and phones could have beaten Ipad's version in functionality. On a desktop they just boggle, like suddenly the best Desktop Experience ever has just been overwritten with Playskool.
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