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Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8


10 Apr 2013   #771

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Most people who complain that they won't use Windows 8 have probably not really used it whatsoever to form that opinion. They just based it on what other people said.
With all due respect, I really tire of repeatedly hearing that most people badmouth Windows 8 because they "haven't used it". If someone finds Windows 8 unsatisfactory to their needs and wants such, it doesn't neccesarily take long to form a conclusion.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
All of a sudden Microsoft jumps in the fray and the world is coming to an end. Sorry but where was all this noise when Google and Apple were doing these things. Where were these people when I was screaming about Google's invasion into our privacy?
With Facebook, Apple and Google it was more that they were companies who'd already relished in taking control of peoples' computers/smartphones (Apple) or had a reputation for using personal information in their business (FB, Google). Together with their insignificance on the mainstream desktop OS market, it was a combination of a fight that wasn't worth fighting and a fight that had no reason to be fought. I do really hate FB and both Apple's and Google's app stores though, just for the record.

Microsoft on the other hand, they had established themselves as a company that developed operating systems with an open ecosystem with their Windows family of operating systems. While their business model would entail usage of personal information much like Google and Facebook, seeing as they have such services like a search engine, cloud storage, and email, they never attempted (at least not so blatantly) to directly control what users can do on their computers unlike Apple.

Windows 8's introduction, featuring Metro which only accepts software to be installed (and subsequently ran) from Windows Store (which is strictly moderated by MS), caused a paradigm shift in which MS suddenly changed course to App Store Land where the operating system vendors have the final say on what gets developed and distributed.

If Windows goes the path of the app store, which it clearly is, Linux is the only really notable open-ecosystem operating system family that will remain on the desktop, and as we all know Linux is far from being ready to usher in what they call "The Year of the Linux Desktop", hence our loud refusal to support Windows 8 and Microsoft's new "holier-than-thou" attitude.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
However, people don't seem to be so upset when posting information on facebook and other social networks.
I actually find this fairly recent behavior strange. Back in the 90s and early 2000s we were all telling each other (especially our kids!) to not post personal information on the internet, even our names were taboo to mention unless we already knew each other at a personal level. Fast forward to now and everyone is posting every single bit of their personal information and lives on the internet for everyone, both good folks and bad, to see and take advantage of. What seriously happened to those sayings about safeguarding our privacy and lives?

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10 Apr 2013   #772

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post

.......I don't like it at all either, but it is what it is. And we can scream all we want... Microsoft is going ahead. Why, because the vast majority of consumers want it. And all of the screaming and carrying on in the world won't stop us from using Microsoft products. Why, because we need them... we just don't want to accept it or believe it.
My two cents.
The vast majority of consumers???
If "the vast majority of consumers want it" as you say, then they'd be buying it.
In reality, W8 sales are in the tank. Even Vista outsold W8 at this stage in time.
It's selling so slow Microsoft started fishing for excuses and tried blaming the OEM's.
M$ has tried blaming just about everyone but themselves, and so far it hasn't helped.

I don't believe the statement in question will hold water till M$ can back it up with sales, but sales haven't even come close yet.

You might be right about one thing, they might succeed in shoving their one size fits all tablet OS down our throat, but if they do they'll have to outlast the public's resistance.
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10 Apr 2013   #773

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Most people who complain that they won't use Windows 8 have probably not really used it whatsoever to form that opinion. They just based it on what other people said.
With all due respect, I really tire of repeatedly hearing that most people badmouth Windows 8 because they "haven't used it". If someone finds Windows 8 unsatisfactory to their needs and wants such, it doesn't neccesarily take long to form a conclusion.
I actually 100 percent agree with pparks on this as I've been saying it time and time again. The bottom line is there are folks criticizing something they haven't used.

It's one thing to say you don't find something to your liking, it's totally another thing to criticize it based on someone else's experiences. Sort of like saying I don't like them because you don't like them. Uh...OK.

I've never used an NVidia graphics card, or AMD chip, but when asked about them, I don't say they suck because my friends say they suck, I reply I've never used them to form an opinion.

This is also why I can admit I took the criticize before you try road (something of which I normally don't do) only to have formed a different opinion after giving it a try. YES, 8 has things I don't like about it, but get past those, and there are some good things about it. Most notably, the new Windows Explorer, and the overall performance of the OS.

Anyway that's my opinion so...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
Microsoft on the other hand, they had established themselves as a company that developed operating systems with an open ecosystem with their Windows family of operating systems. While their business model would entail usage of personal information much like Google and Facebook, seeing as they have such services like a search engine, cloud storage, and email, they never attempted (at least not so blatantly) to directly control what users can do on their computers unlike Apple.
Microsoft is simply trying to get into a market on reserved for social media by providing a Desktop OS capable of providing all the conveniences of that media.

Anyway I'm in general agreement with the rest of your post as it's well thought out and stated.

Peace
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11 Apr 2013   #774

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32-bit; Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (VM).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post

I actually find this fairly recent behavior strange. Back in the 90s and early 2000s we were all telling each other (especially our kids!) to not post personal information on the internet, even our names were taboo to mention unless we already knew each other at a personal level. Fast forward to now and everyone is posting every single bit of their personal information and lives on the internet for everyone, both good folks and bad, to see and take advantage of. What seriously happened to those sayings about safeguarding our privacy and lives?
I, too, find this very difficult to understand, and have done for some time.

It seems like everything we've been told since 'Stranger Danger' when we were
little tackers at school goes straight out the window (no pun intended) and no
longer applies as soon as an open Farce-book page appears. And then we wonder
why we're bullied, stalked, trolled....

I tend to be very mindful of what info I post and where, and give out as little
real info as possible, and my brother is almost pathological about his online privacy.

Wenda.
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11 Apr 2013   #775

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
With all due respect, I really tire of repeatedly hearing that most people badmouth Windows 8 because they "haven't used it". If someone finds Windows 8 unsatisfactory to their needs and wants such, it doesn't neccesarily take long to form a conclusion.

King Arthur I agree, that line is getting really stale. But after seeing it used repeatedly, I think some people began using it generically for lack of something more substantive to say.

The same people who used to enjoy the ability to customize and personalize their computer with the countless options offered on Windows 7, now are vigorously defending Microsoft's "One Size Fits All" LACK of options in W8.

When Microsoft offered numerous ways to personalize one's computer according to one's personal preference, it served ALL of us well, not just a few.
So how is it that with a few people, "Choice" and "Options" apparently have become undesireable?
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11 Apr 2013   #776

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post

I actually find this fairly recent behavior strange. Back in the 90s and early 2000s we were all telling each other (especially our kids!) to not post personal information on the internet, even our names were taboo to mention unless we already knew each other at a personal level. Fast forward to now and everyone is posting every single bit of their personal information and lives on the internet for everyone, both good folks and bad, to see and take advantage of. What seriously happened to those sayings about safeguarding our privacy and lives?
I, too, find this very difficult to understand, and have done for some time.

It seems like everything we've been told since 'Stranger Danger' when we were
little tackers at school goes straight out the window (no pun intended) and no
longer applies as soon as an open Farce-book page appears. And then we wonder
why we're bullied, stalked, trolled....

I tend to be very mindful of what info I post and where, and give out as little
real info as possible, and my brother is almost pathological about his online privacy.

Wenda.
Today's youth find it much more desirable to share their info on-line. It's the cool thing to do. Thank Facebook, Twitter & Reality T.V.

This is why Microsoft isn't listening to your and I; we're not with the program. The youth are the future... and they want and need social networking via PC.
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11 Apr 2013   #777

Win7 64
 
 

but there is social networking via pc already available.
If they want cool, then isn't that apple?

And we all know that the youth know exactly what is good for them :-)

And we all know that a mult national company has there best interests at heart,,,,,,,,, not just the $.
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11 Apr 2013   #778

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post

I actually find this fairly recent behavior strange. Back in the 90s and early 2000s we were all telling each other (especially our kids!) to not post personal information on the internet, even our names were taboo to mention unless we already knew each other at a personal level. Fast forward to now and everyone is posting every single bit of their personal information and lives on the internet for everyone, both good folks and bad, to see and take advantage of. What seriously happened to those sayings about safeguarding our privacy and lives?
I, too, find this very difficult to understand, and have done for some time.

It seems like everything we've been told since 'Stranger Danger' when we were
little tackers at school goes straight out the window (no pun intended) and no
longer applies as soon as an open Farce-book page appears. And then we wonder
why we're bullied, stalked, trolled....

I tend to be very mindful of what info I post and where, and give out as little
real info as possible, and my brother is almost pathological about his online privacy.

Wenda.
Today's youth find it much more desirable to share their info on-line. It's the cool thing to do. Thank Facebook, Twitter & Reality T.V.

This is why Microsoft isn't listening to your and I; we're not with the program. The youth are the future... and they want and need social networking via PC.
I believe we the older generations, especially those of us who are parents and/or in positions of education, have a responsibility to teach our kids and younger peers that disseminating their personal information willy nilly like most are doing now can carry very dire consequences in the real world.

I occasionally read news reports about a child telling her friends on FB about her birthday party and then having that little bit of information get out of control such that the results might even be traumatic, and I can't help but ask why such things had to happen. And even worse, this is still very mild compared to more serious (and very real) threats like identity theft and various forms of harrassment which can have long-term consequences!

Surely we as a society can do better than this, especially since most of us grew up being told by our parents to be careful of strangers.
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11 Apr 2013   #779

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium x86 Service Pack 1 - Linux Mint Mate 14 x64
 
 

I don't like Apple or social media, I've deleted my Facebook account and now only use Twitter occasionally. I must be the complete opposite of 17-year old youth
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11 Apr 2013   #780

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32-bit; Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (VM).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wenda View Post

I, too, find this very difficult to understand, and have done for some time.

It seems like everything we've been told since 'Stranger Danger' when we were
little tackers at school goes straight out the window (no pun intended) and no
longer applies as soon as an open Farce-book page appears. And then we wonder
why we're bullied, stalked, trolled....

I tend to be very mindful of what info I post and where, and give out as little
real info as possible, and my brother is almost pathological about his online privacy.

Wenda.


I believe we the older generations, especially those of us who are parents and/or in positions of education, have a responsibility to teach our kids and younger peers that disseminating their personal information willy nilly like most are doing now can carry very dire consequences in the real world.

I occasionally read news reports about a child telling her friends on FB about her birthday party and then having that little bit of information get out of control such that the results might even be traumatic, and I can't help but ask why such things had to happen. And even worse, this is still very mild compared to more serious (and very real) threats like identity theft and various forms of harrassment which can have long-term consequences!

Surely we as a society can do better than this, especially since most of us grew up being told by our parents to be careful of strangers.

Yes, Sire, I agree 100%.

But seriously, things like Farce-book and Twitter weren't around when my step-children
were growing up (this was the mid-late 1990s), we had one computer and no internet
at all. We did, however, bring the kids up to be aware. The usual stranger-danger stuff
like don't tell strangers on the phone you're home alone, etc

My step-daughter, now nineteen, has a Farce-book a/c, as do I, and we are on each
other's 'friend list'. She doesn't 'live' on FB (she often goes for weeks without logging
in), doesn't have a huge list of 'friends', and is very discreet as to what she posts and
to whom.

So, we must have got something right as parents.
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