Windows 7 Forums

Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

21 Apr 2013   #941
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
VMs

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Now of course RAM is so cheap I'd just install an 8GB kit. But I haven't really found that 4 GB has been a limit even doing Photoshop type stuff.
VMs are the only things that want to use my RAM (I've got 8 GB).

I'm seriously tempted to make a 2 GB RAM disc.
I'd put program cache, swap and temp folders on it (using a bat file at startup).


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
22 Apr 2013   #942
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

Quote:
Notebook makers turn to Android in face of Windows woes

Intel said to be leading push for Googly convertibles

Dissatisfied with sales of Windows 8 notebook and tablets, major PC vendors have reportedly joined Intel in a new push to launch convertible fondleslabs based on Google's Android OS.

So sayeth the supply-chain sleuths at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes, which cites anonymous sources inside the notebook vendors.

Chinese ThinkPad maker Lenovo is reportedly leading the charge and is planning to release an Android-powered version of its 11-inch Yoga convertible slab in May. But Lenovo is far from alone; Acer, Asus, HP, and Toshiba are all said to be also readying Android models that will launch in the third quarter.
Notebook makers turn to Android in face of Windows woes ? The Register
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #943
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I actually shrank Win8 to install Win7 in a Dual Boot and wasn't that impressed with performance for a Core i5 either, possibly due to only 4gb RAM which can be doubled.
Now of course RAM is so cheap I'd just install an 8GB kit. But I haven't really found that 4 GB has been a limit even doing Photoshop type stuff.
Yeah my Lappy only has 4gig of RAM, and I run both Photoshop CS6 x64 and Lightroom 4 just fine on it. Of course a 3rd gen i7, along with a 256 SSD drive helps. All this on Window 8 Pro x 64.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

22 Apr 2013   #944
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
Quote:
Notebook makers turn to Android in face of Windows woes

Intel said to be leading push for Googly convertibles

Dissatisfied with sales of Windows 8 notebook and tablets, major PC vendors have reportedly joined Intel in a new push to launch convertible fondleslabs based on Google's Android OS.

So sayeth the supply-chain sleuths at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes, which cites anonymous sources inside the notebook vendors.

Chinese ThinkPad maker Lenovo is reportedly leading the charge and is planning to release an Android-powered version of its 11-inch Yoga convertible slab in May. But Lenovo is far from alone; Acer, Asus, HP, and Toshiba are all said to be also readying Android models that will launch in the third quarter.
Notebook makers turn to Android in face of Windows woes ? The Register
Hi there
If journalists say the same things over and over again they might even start believing their own drivel.

If you want an Android system there's already the Chrome notebook / or any number of tablets.

However what ANDROID (or "Dumbdroid") can't do (and isn't likely to do) is to run your business type applications such as Photoshop, CAD, Ms Office (The google docs is a LOUSY replacement if you do anything other than the most basic of functions) and about 10 zillion and one other applications.

OK you might say --run Windows apps on a Virtual Machine -- OK nothing wrong with that but then you are STILL going to need a Windows license so Ms isn't going to bother. Many people I know have Linux as their main OS but do run several Windows applications in a Windows VM.

There are some projects like WINE which exist that attempt to run windows executables directly on Linux -- this project has been around for literally Donkeys Years and still only has a fairly limited success.

Windows isn't going away any time soon whatever OS is installed as the main OS on these machines.

I'd love to see SAP developers having to do their work on an Android platform -- It's NOT going to happen.

BTW you can run Photoshop even passably on a 2GB laptop - especially if its fitted with an SSD -- Photoshop is often quoted as a program consuming vast amounts of resources -- it again depends on what you are doing -- processing a professional quality RAW photo for say an A2 commercial press publication with a lot of layers will use a huge amount of resources as will batch processing dozens of pics for a magazine but processing a few "Snaps" (I refuse to call them Photos) from a mobile phone camera doesn't require a lot of photoshop resources. The main problem on a smaller computer with photoshop is the load time but an SSD will fix that.

a 4GB computer is quite sufficient for a typical casual home photoshop user. an 8GB one (quite common these days) will more than suffice for all but the most demanding of tasks.

(Actually in some ways Ms could BENEFIT - since a lot of users would have to run Windows in a VM and get a license for it -- which would cost more than what the OEM's pay for THEIR windows licenses).

Cheers
jimbo
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #945
PaulGo

Windows 10 (64 bit)
 
 

The point of the article is most people don't need a Windows envirnoment because currently they don't need to run apps like Photoshop. Most people don't like the current Windows 8 interface so manafacturers are giving their customers a choice. Also if enough people get disgusted with Windows 8 you will see apps such as Photoshop beimg made available for the alternative OS. Wake up Microsoft and give the customers an OS they like for the desktop!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #946
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
The point of the article is most people don't need a Windows envirnoment because currently they don't need to run apps like Photoshop. Most people don't like the current Windows 8 interface so manafacturers are giving their customers a choice. Also if enough people get disgusted with Windows 8 you will see apps such as Photoshop beimg made available for the alternative OS. Wake up Microsoft and give the customers an OS they like for the desktop!
Hi there
It's nice to think that could be so but the development work required to get an app like Photoshop (or in particular the whole of the CS suite) to work on Android is so large and expensive that it isn't going to happen any time soon if ever.

Even the Ipad won't run Ms Office -- although some versions of Ms office were ported to Macs.

Photoshop also works fine on a Mac. While the Mac OS basically shares some commonality with Linux it's NOT the same (by quite a distance) -- otherwise if it were Adobe would have released photo shop for Linux a long time ago. The same is true of Ms Office -- while people like CrossOver Office try and make use of WINE to run some versions of Office on Linux it's by no means complete or 100% successful.

Ms if it thought this was an operation worth doing ( Ms Office for Linux) would surely JUMP at the chance - Ms office is one of its biggest profitable sources of software revenue

As far as W8 is concerned Ms could basically just quietly fix problems with it over a lengthy period (and they probably will -- most corporations eventually take notice of what the customers are telling them but in the case of W8 these same customers aren't "all singing from the same Hymn sheet" so it's not so easy to decide what to do). Ms also want to make sure that they have a presence of some sort in the emerging mobile markets.

Remember as far as Windows licenses for corporates are concerned this is where the BIG money is. It doesn't matter WHAT version they use - although its likely to remain W7.

No way in a million years will corporations switch to Android - even if the OS was free -- basic Office software won't run like that - and the literally 100,000's of "Back end applications" would all have to be re-written and tested -- not cheap even if it were remotely possible.

The only caveat with all this is that if future computers basically just contained a Browser as the OS and ran all the apps from the Cloud then it might just work but I wouldn't bet the farm on that approach for all sorts of reasons.

The only piece of kit that remotely works like that is the Chromebook --which is fine for the limited scenario it is used for -- but as a full blown computer --forget it.

In any case as has been pointed out AD NAUSEAM both here and on W8 Forum too -- the OS on the computer has totally NOTHING to do with the drop in PC sales --I'm not going to re-hash the old reasons again - they are all here in the Forums if you want to re-visit that whole discussion.

Finally YOU have a choice on what you want on your desktop --It's not Ms who decides what you put on your desktop -- if you've had it with Windows get a Mac or install one of the 100's of Linux distros out there --they are all usually FREE too. Similarly there's nothing wrong if you want to continue using Windows like you use it now to stay with W7 --it's still a good OS and will be current until at least 2020.

Cheers
jimbo
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #947
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Corporate and professional users do need a lot of the advanced Windows programs that are not available under Android. But 80% of the home users do only very simple tasks for which a Chromebook or alike would be completely sufficient.

I see that from the 800 members of my computer club. Of those, 750 have no clue how a computer works. All they do is click on a few icons for mail, skype and other social activities. When I tried to teach them how to make images of their system, many thought that was too advanced. Besides, hardly anybody owns an external disk. Those people only bought laptops because nobody told them about the other options.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #948
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
The point of the article is most people don't need a Windows envirnoment because currently they don't need to run apps like Photoshop. Most people don't like the current Windows 8 interface so manafacturers are giving their customers a choice. Also if enough people get disgusted with Windows 8 you will see apps such as Photoshop beimg made available for the alternative OS. Wake up Microsoft and give the customers an OS they like for the desktop!
Actually there is a Photoshop app on Samsung's Galaxy Note 10.1 called Adobe® Photoshop® Touch, which obviously does run on Android.

Also I think some of you are may be forgetting that Android is also an evolving OS, and thus what it can do today vs. tomorrow, vs. five years from now may be vastly different from it's current capabilities. Who knew Adobe would have a "Photoshop" app for Android? Is it full-fledged, no, but it's a start. And what other "Window" only apps will follow? And let's not forget there was a time when you couldn't run Windows based app on Macs, now...

All things change; As I said before technology marches on.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #949
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
although some versions of Ms office were ported to Macs.

Photoshop also works fine on a Mac. While the Mac OS basically shares some commonality with Linux it's NOT the same (by quite a distance) -- otherwise if it were Adobe would have released photo shop for Linux a long time ago. The same is true of Ms Office -- while people like CrossOver Office try and make use of WINE to run some versions of Office on Linux it's by no means complete or 100% successful.
Can you explain? I believe the Mac OS is based on NeXTSTEP and not totally equivalent to linux but I don't see a major stumbling block to port Photoshop to linux. People already run Photoshop Elements under Wine. Likewise for MS office. I'm assuming either Adobe don't see a real port financially worth it since most of their professional users are tied into Macs and amateurs MS PCs or they have some agreement with MS. As for MS office, MS still expect substantial revenue from their OSs so why port to a linux?
I believe GIMP and LibreOffice aren't quite up to the standard of their paid equivalents but they are not far off it.

In short I think running mainstream high end software on say linux Mint 14 should be very doable but the will isn't there.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
22 Apr 2013   #950
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
In short I think running mainstream high end software on say linux Mint 14 should be very doable but the will isn't there.
I think the main problem of Linux is that there are far too many flavors and they are not all compatible. If the Linux community would kill 100 or so flavors and concentrate on 3 or 4, then things would probably change.

This generally good objective of freedom of choice works against Linux in this case.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Closed Thread

 More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8




Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Microsoft confirms enthusiasts' fears: No more Windows Home Server
Read more at: Microsoft confirms enthusiasts' fears: No more versions of Windows Home Server | ZDNet
News
Would You Reject A Pre-Built PC Because Of Windows 8
I found an excellent pre-built PC deal. The system uses quality parts and is cheaper than the cost of the separate parts + shipping by $125.00. Plus, I would have to spend time building the PC. The only problem are is it ships with Windows 8 only. Is Windows 8 a deal killer ?
General Discussion
'Xbox 720' Might Reject Used Games
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gamelife/2012/01/preowned.jpg Miffed at the possibility that new game consoles could lock out used games? Get used to it. “I’ve heard from one reliable industry source that Microsoft intends to incorporate some sort of anti-used game system as part of their...
Chillout Room
Is there a way to force Windows 7 to reject certain hardware?
Hello, all. I have a quick question. :) Right, my little brother has a laptop running Windows 7 Ultimate (x32). He also has a PS3 webcam (I forget the actual name of it). He is allowed to use this webcam on his PS3, but not on his computer. The problem is that he keeps defying the rule in...
Hardware & Devices
Mozilla asks EU to reject Microsoft's Windows 7 browser
Source
News


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:54.

Twitter Facebook Google+



Windows 7 Forums

Seven Forums Android App Seven Forums IOS App