| Windows 7: Why does crapware still exist? |
16 Jan 2013
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#21 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |

Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck What I have noticed more of recently is that when you go to a reputable site to download, like The Official ImgBurn Website the first button you see which appears to be the download is a crapware button, not the download that you went to the site for. It has become hard to find the download button. I've noticed that too. The real download button or link is often at the bottom of the page. | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 |
16 Jan 2013
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#22 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) Lethbridge, AB |
I swear if I ever become a computer sciences teacher, one of my assignments would be to properly download and install some programs while avoiding crapware. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple 17" iMac MA199LL (Early 2006) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) CPU 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) (upgrade) Graphics Card ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory Monitor(s) Displays 17-inch TFT active-matrix LCD, millions of colors Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 Mouse Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 Hard Drives Hitachi 320GB HDT721032SLA360 7200RPM SATA II (upgrade) Internet Speed 4 Mbps Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome Other Info WEI:
Base Score: 3.9 Processor: 4.4 Memory 4.7
Graphics: 3.9 Gaming Graphics: 4.1 Primary HD: 5.9 |
16 Jan 2013
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#23 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Los Angeles, CA, USA |
Free speech means people will also get to insult other people, but that doesn't mean free speech needs to go. Along the same line of thought, open platforms mean we get both good and bad software, but that doesn't mean we should move to a closed platform just to weed out the bad software.
Or as Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Anyone who suggests that we move to a closed platform because of crapware pervading through the environment of open platforms is either an idiot or misinformed, supports censorship (whether intentionally or not), refuses to take responsibility for their own welfare, and answers to short-term gains while giving up fundamental user rights and an environment where developers can develop software the developers themselves envisioned. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number N/A (custom-built) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7 2700K @ 3.5GHz (TurboBoost disabled) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4x4GB) Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz @ 1333MHz Graphics Card Nvidia EVGA GeForce 560 Ti 448 Cores Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio (motherboard integrated) Monitor(s) Displays NEC Multisync EX231W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 @ 60Hz via DVI-D Keyboard Steelseries 6Gv2 Mouse Steelseries Sensei RAW Glossy, Logitech M500 PSU Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 Case Antec 300 Cooling Air-cooling Hard Drives 2x Western Digital 1TB SATA3 Caviar Black Internal HDD // 1x WD 500GB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 1x WD 1TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD // 2x WD 2TB USB 3.0 "My Passport Essential" External HDD Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Chromium, IE9 |
16 Jan 2013
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#24 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) Lethbridge, AB |

Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur Free speech means people will also get to insult other people, but that doesn't mean free speech needs to go. Along the same line of thought, open platforms mean we get both good and bad software, but that doesn't mean we should move to a closed platform just to weed out the bad software.
Or as Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Anyone who suggests that we move to a closed platform because of crapware pervading through the environment of open platforms is either an idiot or misinformed, supports censorship (whether intentionally or not), refuses to take responsibility for their own welfare, and answers to short-term gains while giving up fundamental user rights and an environment where developers can develop software the developers themselves envisioned. Free speech should extend to and terminate at the point when it impedes other's right to free speech.
Example: Westboro Church. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple 17" iMac MA199LL (Early 2006) OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (upgrade) CPU 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) (upgrade) Graphics Card ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory Monitor(s) Displays 17-inch TFT active-matrix LCD, millions of colors Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 Mouse Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 Hard Drives Hitachi 320GB HDT721032SLA360 7200RPM SATA II (upgrade) Internet Speed 4 Mbps Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome Other Info WEI:
Base Score: 3.9 Processor: 4.4 Memory 4.7
Graphics: 3.9 Gaming Graphics: 4.1 Primary HD: 5.9 |
16 Jan 2013
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#25 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) Adelaide |
Ensnare the unwary 
Quote: Originally Posted by alphanumeric 
Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck What I have noticed more of recently is that when you go to a reputable site to download, like The Official ImgBurn Website the first button you see which appears to be the download is a crapware button, not the download that you went to the site for. It has become hard to find the download button. I've noticed that too. The real download button or link is often at the bottom of the page. I've seen that on a lot of sites during the past few years.
It takes longer to find the real download button/link, than it takes to do the actual download.
Also, avoid companies/sites that demand that you install their download manager, "to speed up your downloads."
One time, some place wanted me to download a 20MB manager to download a 1MB file! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2) Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD6450 Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S23B350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24 |
16 Jan 2013
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#26 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Right on the money lehnerus2000.
've seen that on a lot of sites during the past few years.
It takes longer to find the real download button/link, than it takes to do the actual download.
Also, avoid companies/sites that demand that you install their download manager, "to speed up your downloads."
One time, some place wanted me to download a 20MB manager to download a 1MB file! 
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The proper download button to the proper link is where they catch many people. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
16 Jan 2013
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#27 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |
The snapshot of the java installer shows how easy it is for most to get duped into installing "unwanted extras" you don't want and why the smart move is being on the watch to uncheck things found already checked off.
Besides IE addons things like changing your home page, search engine, other annoyances are sometimes more cleverly wrapped with the need to be a little more attentative at just what is being installed when going to try something new out.
Now for closed platforms try Windows CE over something you can install on desktop, laptop, or netbook on your own. That offers very little and certainly has no "java support" for the limited form of IE seen with CE 6.0!
Another thing to keep a watch out for and hopefully maintaining a good av and anti-malware protection at the same time is other "little nasties" thrown into the mix at times! And that isn't just browser hijackers either!
Having never gotten around to installing a number of old XP tools freebies and other utilities being looked at but never gotten to you get into an updated software and suddenly learn there are "bugs" hidden insdie the zip file downloads that were supposed to be system tools and other off freewares. "Surprise! We caught you not looking!" so they thought anyways. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
17 Jan 2013
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#28 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit In a house with a cat trying to kill me |
Even Adobe trys to bundle some things in with the update, although I haven't seen this the last couple times. I noticed that whenever you went to the site, it tried to get you to include something from McAfee in the d/l (some kind of toolbar I believe). It was off to the side so you had to be sure to look at the entire page before hitting the update button. Wonder how many people inadvertently d/led McFubar?
And yes Night Hawk, while running a scan with MSE on some programs I wanted to try out in (which were in zip format), MSE picked out one of them with a PUP bundled in with it. After MSE removed it, the program would no longer install. Fine with me... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Hell oh Well OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz Memory Not much with my ADHD Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 Monitor(s) Displays I have one...It's bright. A 19 inch CRT actually. Keyboard It's 10 years old and amazingly still works Mouse Same deal with the mouse, 10 yrs old, if it ain't broke... Case Don't get on my case...man :D Cooling I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi Hard Drives 250 GB Main Drive, 2 - 1 TB Externals, various FD's. |
17 Jan 2013
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#29 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
In addition to what's been mentioned about bundled trialware which can earn authors commissions to pay for their freeware, many are also are trying to sneak spyware onto your PC.
Almost any search service, updater or toolbar is spyware that's gathering behavioral information about you which is crunched into data that can be both sold and used by the purveyor.
In addition these may paste ads everywhere you go based on searches or even text you type into emails. Hence when I invited a friend to lunch by private email every ad suddenly became lunch specials at local restaurants. This invasion of privacy pushed me to investigate and with John's help I learned how to Opt Out of Network Advertising tracking ads. | My System Specs | | |
17 Jan 2013
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#30 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |
I am so tiered of being asked to install the Google Toolbar when installing just about anything that I want to puke. If it's not that its the Bing desktop or toolbar. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 Why does crapware still exist? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:14 AM. | |