| Windows 7: Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8 |
26 Jan 2013
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#11 | | Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 southwestern Pa |
I'll be a believer when I see a side by side comparison. Give me numbers with the same equipment running a game,say FarCry 3. Until then,they won't get me to upgrade to 8. I also believe that 8 has it's place,but desktops isn't one of them. Now,if I could keep the "classic" look and interface of 7,but have the 'under the hood" of 8,I'll jump onboard right now.
Greg
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26 Jan 2013
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#12 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
Greg -
This can be done by grafting on the actual Windows 7 start button Menu using Windows 7 explorer for Windows 8, which when toggled on doesn't load Metro into RAM and thus seems a bit faster for some.
The gadgets can also be replicated using 8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8 and undock them.
What you get with these two inexplicably forgotten features is almost the same as Windows 7 but defaults to Win8 crApps adjustable in Default Programs. Some think its faster but it can't compel me to boot into it even on a Win8 Dual Boot. I prefer the perfect desktop experience which Windows 7 provides and isn't showing the slightest sign of age yet. | My System Specs | | |
26 Jan 2013
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
Not really 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi there
I don't know much about gaming - but do you actually NEED DX11. Surely most Gamers use specialized GPU's in their systems and the Game manufacturers will surely ensure that their games run on these platforms.
I'll bet there's still loads of people Gaming quite happily on XP and XBOX presumably can have its own software in it too.
In any case I'd suspect that Touch is a decent component of modern gaming - and Touch is diabolical on Windows 7 -- on W8 the whole Touch implementation is STREETS better than Windows 7.
Don't get me wrong here --loads of facilities Windows 7 is still better suited for than W8 but for any form of Touch enabled devices Windows 7 is a DOG. Just compare those HORRENDOUS Windows 7 phones with the new ones -- even Nokia has got some brilliant W8 phones now.
Maybe you gamers should have a look at this. Microsoft explains how Windows 8 smokes Windows 7 | Microsoft - CNET News
Cheers
jimbo Actually you DON'T; you need DX, but not necessarily DX11.
Anyway as pointed out previously, I'm am a BIG time gamer. All you have to do is look towards the games forum here. Also: Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues - steps 5 & 6.
That said, if you look at gaming overall, DX11 is really just starting to become the norm as more and more games support it. But for a while, a lot of games were still being released in DX9 or 10 mode, only to be patched to 11 later. Now you are starting to see more and more DX11 titles; however, as of yet there are no DX11.1 titles on the horizon: List of games with DirectX 11 support - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, (forgot about this earlier) Microsoft DID release some DX11.1 features to Windows 7... Source: DirectX 11.1 and Windows 7 - Games for Windows and the DirectX SDK - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
Sure, we didn't get everything ( Windows 7 update brings some DX11.1 features - The Tech Report) but I'm thinking it's a matter of time, especially if 8 bombs.
Also note that at this time there are no "true" DX11.1 GPU's out yet. Now whether this can be implemented via a software update remains a mystery; but consider this: thus far DX10-11 have been hardware implemented by both NVidia and AMD (ATI) so...? However, I'm sure there's something on the horizon.... and, both ATI & NVidia are seeing dollar ($) signs here
At any rate, as I said before, I'm not so sure gamers will be missing much between DX11 and DX11.1. And, by the time it does catch on... the fate of Windows 8 may well be determined by then.
My two cents. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
26 Jan 2013
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#14 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |
Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades
There probably won't be a real difference in a .1 driver I mean really half of the time they come out to Sh*t anyway excuse my languge but that is the truth
it takes a good 6 months to a year to perfect all the defects and performance issues and most of the public don't even take advantage of it or use it anyway
PCI- 3.0 is out but a majority are using 2.1 or later so i mean by the time it is really needed about 3 years or so down the line Windows 8 will be a afterthough because a better more Quality Os would have been made either to mirror a form of windows or MS gets there head out of the hole and think of the Programers and encoders ....
I almost think they made Win8 to stop hackers but lets be real that will never happen | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
26 Jan 2013
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#15 | | Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 southwestern Pa |
Quote: At any rate, as I said before, I'm not so sure gamers will be missing much between DX11 and DX11.1. And, by the time it does catch on... the fate of Windows 8 may well be determined by then. I started playing Far Cry 3 with my old system which had a GTX 275. Built my new sytem and started playing it over again. If there is a major difference between DX10 and 11,I didn't see it. So unless there is something major between 11 and 11.1,as stated,we probably will never see it. Greg | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 CPU i7 3770K @ 4.8 Ghz/1.288 Vcore Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 Memory Corsair Vengeance LP 4 x 4gig PC3-12800 @1600Mhz Graphics Card EVGA GTX 670 FTW Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW266H 25.5" HDMI WS Screen Resolution 1920 X 1200 Keyboard Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 Mouse Microsoft Optical PSU Seasonic X Series 1250W Case Cooler Master HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Cooling Corsair H100i/ 4 Cougar Vortex PWM 1500rpm in push/pull Hard Drives OCZ 128 gig Vertex 4 SSD
OCZ 250 gig Vertex 4 SSD
2 Seagate Barracuda-500/320 gig 7200.11 Internet Speed 50mbps |
26 Jan 2013
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#16 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades To be clear I wasn't exactly thinking XP when making that statement. There are still games made with Windows 7 in mind, but still utilize DX9 instead of 10 or 11.
Point is some game developers still weren't using the DX11 API despite designing for Windows 7. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
26 Jan 2013
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#17 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |

Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 
Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades To be clear I wasn't exactly thinking XP when making that statement. There are still games made with Windows 7 in mind, but still utilize DX9 instead of 10 or 11.
Point is some game developers still weren't using the DX11 API despite designing for Windows 7. Well ,I didn't mean to put words in your mouth
I just ment most people still use older platforms and the time frame it takes people to Migrate to a newer os and features just isn't worth jumping on something that says it's the latest
People are driven to get the best of the best 75% of the time they end up disapointed and that is because the hype made it more then what it really was | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
26 Jan 2013
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#18 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Windows 7 and doesn't want to downgrade.
He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Windows 7? | My System Specs | | |
26 Jan 2013
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#19 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Windows 7 and doesn't want to downgrade.
He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Windows 7? Far as i know win 7 has it complete when you install it with sp1
but it still shows up as using 10 anyway I would think it would be inputed into the video drivers more then it is being run in windows
Pretty much it's useless there trying to scam people like the African Lottery | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
26 Jan 2013
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#20 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |

Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines 
Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Windows 7 and doesn't want to downgrade.
He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Windows 7? Far as i know win 7 has it complete when you install it with sp1
but it still shows up as using 10 anyway I would think it would be inputed into the video drivers more then it is being run in windows
Pretty much it's useless there trying to scam people like the African Lottery Your screen shot shows Direct x 10 because that's all your video card will support. Mine shows the same thing but if I run dxdiag it shows Direct X 11 | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8 problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:38 PM. | |