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Windows 7: Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8

26 Jan 2013   #11
glc

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1
 
 

I'll be a believer when I see a side by side comparison. Give me numbers with the same equipment running a game,say FarCry 3. Until then,they won't get me to upgrade to 8. I also believe that 8 has it's place,but desktops isn't one of them. Now,if I could keep the "classic" look and interface of 7,but have the 'under the hood" of 8,I'll jump onboard right now.

Greg


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26 Jan 2013   #12
gregrocker
Microsoft MVP

 
 

Greg -

This can be done by grafting on the actual Win7 start button Menu using Windows 7 explorer for Windows 8, which when toggled on doesn't load Metro into RAM and thus seems a bit faster for some.

The gadgets can also be replicated using 8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8 and undock them.

What you get with these two inexplicably forgotten features is almost the same as Win7 but defaults to Win8 crApps adjustable in Default Programs. Some think its faster but it can't compel me to boot into it even on a Win8 Dual Boot. I prefer the perfect desktop experience which Win7 provides and isn't showing the slightest sign of age yet.
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26 Jan 2013   #13
sygnus21

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 
Not really

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there

I don't know much about gaming - but do you actually NEED DX11. Surely most Gamers use specialized GPU's in their systems and the Game manufacturers will surely ensure that their games run on these platforms.

I'll bet there's still loads of people Gaming quite happily on XP and XBOX presumably can have its own software in it too.

In any case I'd suspect that Touch is a decent component of modern gaming - and Touch is diabolical on W7 -- on W8 the whole Touch implementation is STREETS better than W7.

Don't get me wrong here --loads of facilities W7 is still better suited for than W8 but for any form of Touch enabled devices W7 is a DOG. Just compare those HORRENDOUS W7 phones with the new ones -- even Nokia has got some brilliant W8 phones now.

Maybe you gamers should have a look at this.

Microsoft explains how Windows 8 smokes Windows 7 | Microsoft - CNET News

Cheers
jimbo
Actually you DON'T; you need DX, but not necessarily DX11.

Anyway as pointed out previously, I'm am a BIG time gamer. All you have to do is look towards the games forum here. Also: Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues - steps 5 & 6.

That said, if you look at gaming overall, DX11 is really just starting to become the norm as more and more games support it. But for a while, a lot of games were still being released in DX9 or 10 mode, only to be patched to 11 later. Now you are starting to see more and more DX11 titles; however, as of yet there are no DX11.1 titles on the horizon: List of games with DirectX 11 support - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, (forgot about this earlier) Microsoft DID release some DX11.1 features to Windows 7...

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Portions of the “DirectX 11.1 Runtime” are being made available on Windows 7 Service Pack 1 via the Platform Update for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 (KB 2670838) included with the Internet Explorer 10 Release Preview for Windows 7. This includes the updated components above, but is limited to WDDM 1.1 drivers on Windows 7.
Source: DirectX 11.1 and Windows 7 - Games for Windows and the DirectX SDK - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

Sure, we didn't get everything (Windows 7 update brings some DX11.1 features - The Tech Report) but I'm thinking it's a matter of time, especially if 8 bombs.

Also note that at this time there are no "true" DX11.1 GPU's out yet. Now whether this can be implemented via a software update remains a mystery; but consider this: thus far DX10-11 have been hardware implemented by both NVidia and AMD (ATI) so...? However, I'm sure there's something on the horizon.... and, both ATI & NVidia are seeing dollar ($) signs here

At any rate, as I said before, I'm not so sure gamers will be missing much between DX11 and DX11.1. And, by the time it does catch on... the fate of Windows 8 may well be determined by then.

My two cents.
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26 Jan 2013   #14
Solarstarshines

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades

There probably won't be a real difference in a .1 driver I mean really half of the time they come out to Sh*t anyway excuse my languge but that is the truth

it takes a good 6 months to a year to perfect all the defects and performance issues and most of the public don't even take advantage of it or use it anyway

PCI- 3.0 is out but a majority are using 2.1 or later so i mean by the time it is really needed about 3 years or so down the line Windows 8 will be a afterthough because a better more Quality Os would have been made either to mirror a form of windows or MS gets there head out of the hole and think of the Programers and encoders ....

I almost think they made Win8 to stop hackers but lets be real that will never happen
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26 Jan 2013   #15
glc

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1
 
 

Quote:
At any rate, as I said before, I'm not so sure gamers will be missing much between DX11 and DX11.1. And, by the time it does catch on... the fate of Windows 8 may well be determined by then.

I started playing Far Cry 3 with my old system which had a GTX 275. Built my new sytem and started playing it over again. If there is a major difference between DX10 and 11,I didn't see it. So unless there is something major between 11 and 11.1,as stated,we probably will never see it.

Greg
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26 Jan 2013   #16
sygnus21

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades
To be clear I wasn't exactly thinking XP when making that statement. There are still games made with Windows 7 in mind, but still utilize DX9 instead of 10 or 11.

Point is some game developers still weren't using the DX11 API despite designing for Windows 7.
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26 Jan 2013   #17
Solarstarshines

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Sygnus21 is right people were still using 9 and 10 versions because of xp and vista upgrades
To be clear I wasn't exactly thinking XP when making that statement. There are still games made with Windows 7 in mind, but still utilize DX9 instead of 10 or 11.

Point is some game developers still weren't using the DX11 API despite designing for Windows 7.
Well ,I didn't mean to put words in your mouth

I just ment most people still use older platforms and the time frame it takes people to Migrate to a newer os and features just isn't worth jumping on something that says it's the latest

People are driven to get the best of the best 75% of the time they end up disapointed and that is because the hype made it more then what it really was
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26 Jan 2013   #18
gregrocker
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I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Win7 and doesn't want to downgrade.

He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Win7?
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26 Jan 2013   #19
Solarstarshines

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Win7 and doesn't want to downgrade.

He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Win7?
Far as i know win 7 has it complete when you install it with sp1
but it still shows up as using 10 anyway I would think it would be inputed into the video drivers more then it is being run in windows

Pretty much it's useless there trying to scam people like the African Lottery


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26 Jan 2013   #20
alphanumeric
Microsoft MVP

Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I heard about this from an avid gamer who said this is how he is being pushed into Win8 even though he loves Win7 and doesn't want to downgrade.

He kept referring to latest DirectX so I thought he probably meant 12, but researching it I only found the story about 11.1. Is this some type of beta for 12, or does it become 11 once it's installed like a SP becomes Win7?
Far as i know win 7 has it complete when you install it with sp1
but it still shows up as using 10 anyway I would think it would be inputed into the video drivers more then it is being run in windows

Pretty much it's useless there trying to scam people like the African Lottery
Your screen shot shows Direct x 10 because that's all your video card will support. Mine shows the same thing but if I run dxdiag it shows Direct X 11

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