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30 Jan 2013
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#41 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Dallas, Texas |

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi there you obviously haven't understood or don't want to understand what I've posted .......
Cheers
jimbo
What I as well as many do indeed understand is that Windows 7 is extremely popular because it is designed to fit the specific needs of the desktop user and it does it extremely well. Not so with W8!
What you keep trying to sweep under the rug is that with W8, MS specifically targeted the mobile crowd in an attempt to cash in on Apple's market, and desktop users were left by the way-side. Touchscreens were not specifically designed for the desktop user. We were a mere afterthought, and were tossed a few table scraps by MS in hopes they could sell us a bill of goods.
Well no thank you. There's a whole lot of us out here who are not buying that bill of goods, and are not ready to trade in a great OS like Windows 7 for a one-size-fits all half hearted solution like W8.
If it fits your needs, great! But it doesn't fit ours.
There was a perfectly easy fix for that problem, but MS chose to ignore that. | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel I7 3770K Motherboard P8Z77-V Pro Memory Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 Graphics Card ASUS Radeon HD 7770 Sound Card Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays HP 21.5" LED PSU Corsair AX760 Platinum Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives 2 X WD Black, 1 TB each Other Info USB 3.0 |
30 Jan 2013
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#42 | | Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 Sydney, Nova Scotia |

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 What I as well as many do indeed understand is that Windows 7 is extremely popular because it is designed to fit the specific needs of the desktop user and it does it extremely well. Not so with W8!
What you keep trying to sweep under the rug is that with W8, MS specifically targeted the mobile crowd in an attempt to cash in on Apple's market, and desktop users were left by the way-side. Touchscreens were not specifically designed for the desktop user. We were a mere afterthought, and were tossed a few table scraps by MS in hopes they could sell us a bill of goods.
Well no thank you. There's a whole lot of us out here who are not buying that bill of goods, and are not ready to trade in a great OS like Windows 7 for a one-size-fits all half hearted solution like W8.
If it fits your needs, great! But it doesn't fit ours.
There was a perfectly easy fix for that problem, but MS chose to ignore that. +1 to that. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 Ultimate AMD64 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Deneb 3.7GHz Motherboard Asus M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard Memory 8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card BFG NVIDIA Geforce 220GT 1 Gig DDR2 PCIe Sound Card VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard Monitor(s) Displays 2 x 19" I-INC AG191D TFT Flat Panel Screen Resolution 1280x1024 x 2 Keyboard Logitech Internet 600 Mouse Logitech Wireless Trackman Wheel PSU Retail Plus 465 Watt Case Power Up Black ATX Mid-Tower Case Cooling Stock heatsink and fan Hard Drives 500 Gig WesternDigital SATA-300 Drive Internet Speed 80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Internet Explorer 10 Other Info HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2 |
30 Jan 2013
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#43 | | Win7 x 6 PC's California, Florida, Boston |
Nobody did the Desktop Experience like MS, but they were spooked by Ipad and wanted to capture a share of that market. At the same time the "Death of the PC" nonsense seemed to affect them to the extent that their greatest strength Desktop Experience was shoved into the back seat. How else to explain that they would deny the choice of a Start menu in Win8 when users overwhelmingly wanted it?
Now I fear they face the worst of both worlds: A ruin of the Desktop Experience after Windows 7, which is perfect in every way and shows no signs of age; and a touchscreen GUI which isn't done as well as Ipad.
There is a way out of this which is to simultaneously slip the Windows 7 Start Menu for Windows 8 into SP1 and the 8 installer so you get a choice, while slipping the Win8 Explorer improvements into Windows 7 SP2 so there are two strong Desktop Experiences going forward offering a transition that business will buy into - along with anyone else who wants to be productive on an intuitive Desktop Experience.
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30 Jan 2013
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#44 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker Nobody did the Desktop Experience like MS, but they were spooked by Ipad and wanted to capture a share of that market. At the same time the "Death of the PC" nonsense seemed to affect them to the extent that their greatest strength Desktop Experience was shoved into the back seat. How else to explain that they would deny the choice of a Start menu in Win8 when users overwhelmingly wanted it?
Now I fear they face the worst of both worlds: A ruin of the Desktop Experience after Windows 7, which is perfect in every way and shows no signs of age; and a touchpad GUI which isn't done as well as Ipad. There is a way out of this which is to simultaneously slip the Windows 7 Start Menu for Windows 8 into SP1 and the 8 installer so you get a choice, while slipping the Win8 Explorer improvements into Windows 7 SP2 so there are two strong Desktop Experiences going forward offering a transition that business will buy into - along with anyone else who wants to be productive on an intuitive Desktop Experience. ++1. Wish we could rep here.
And that last paragraph sounds damn reasonable to me | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatality Pro Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB) & 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
03 Feb 2013
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#45 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Flintshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi there you obviously haven't understood or don't want to understand what I've posted .......
Cheers
jimbo
What I as well as many do indeed understand is that Windows 7 is extremely popular because it is designed to fit the specific needs of the desktop user and it does it extremely well. Not so with W8!
What you keep trying to sweep under the rug is that with W8, MS specifically targeted the mobile crowd in an attempt to cash in on Apple's market, and desktop users were left by the way-side. Touchscreens were not specifically designed for the desktop user. We were a mere afterthought, and were tossed a few table scraps by MS in hopes they could sell us a bill of goods.
Well no thank you. There's a whole lot of us out here who are not buying that bill of goods, and are not ready to trade in a great OS like Windows 7 for a one-size-fits all half hearted solution like W8.
If it fits your needs, great! But it doesn't fit ours.
There was a perfectly easy fix for that problem, but MS chose to ignore that.
I agree with you 100%
Did you fill in the 'Why aren't you buying Windows 8' survey on the MS site a couple of weeks ago?
Errr, because I don't have a touch screen PC Mr Gates. It was clearly asking if I'd buy windows 8 if their were more Touch screen PC's out there..........TBH, after owning a WP7 (Missing simple things like copy & paste must have had Apple corp in fits of laughter) I was kind of reluctant to go anywhere near MS Metro style products......I'll stick to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (3300.0 MHz) Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M LE (Intel H67 (Cougar Point) Memory 8 GBytes (Dual-Channel) Graphics Card ASUS GT610-SL-2GD3 Sound Card Intel Cougar Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller Monitor(s) Displays Xerox XM7-20w PSU G7 Power Extreme 680W Case Asus Cooling Case fan, CPU fan Hard Drives Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 |
03 Feb 2013
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#46 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Dallas, Texas |

Quote: Originally Posted by sparks72 
Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 
Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi there you obviously haven't understood or don't want to understand what I've posted .......
Cheers
jimbo
What I as well as many do indeed understand is that Windows 7 is extremely popular because it is designed to fit the specific needs of the desktop user and it does it extremely well. Not so with W8!
What you keep trying to sweep under the rug is that with W8, MS specifically targeted the mobile crowd in an attempt to cash in on Apple's market, and desktop users were left by the way-side. Touchscreens were not specifically designed for the desktop user. We were a mere afterthought, and were tossed a few table scraps by MS in hopes they could sell us a bill of goods.
Well no thank you. There's a whole lot of us out here who are not buying that bill of goods, and are not ready to trade in a great OS like Windows 7 for a one-size-fits all half hearted solution like W8.
If it fits your needs, great! But it doesn't fit ours.
There was a perfectly easy fix for that problem, but MS chose to ignore that.
I agree with you 100% Did you fill in the 'Why aren't you buying Windows 8' survey on the MS site a couple of weeks ago?
Errr, because I don't have a touch screen PC Mr Gates. It was clearly asking if I'd buy windows 8 if their were more Touch screen PC's out there..........TBH, after owning a WP7 (Missing simple things like copy & paste must have had Apple corp in fits of laughter) I was kind of reluctant to go anywhere near MS Metro style products......I'll stick to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.
No I didn't, I didn't know about it till reading your post! I'd love to have answered that survey! 
I think touchscreens for a desktop are as worthless as screendoors on a submarine.
First, how many people will be impressed with oily greasy smeared finger prints all over their nice big monitor? Yuck! You'd either spend half your time cleaning the screen or it would look filthy.
Second, who wants to spend hours with their hands up in the air finger painting on that dumb touch screen?
A mouse is designed for desktops, touchscreens are not, and W8 is designed and optimized for touchscreens.
Despite screw ups like Vista, I've always liked Microsoft, but W8 has brought all that into question. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel I7 3770K Motherboard P8Z77-V Pro Memory Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 Graphics Card ASUS Radeon HD 7770 Sound Card Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD Monitor(s) Displays HP 21.5" LED PSU Corsair AX760 Platinum Case Corsair Obsidian 550D Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Hard Drives 2 X WD Black, 1 TB each Other Info USB 3.0 |
03 Feb 2013
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#47 | | Windows 7 Home premium 64bit |
It's going to be nothing special like dx10 and dx10.1 , most games didn't even use it and the visuals were pretty much the same expect these very small differnces with more particles. Like cyris 1 ppl found out how to get the same effect in dx9 with custom configs. Anyways only way I would move on is if it was something out of this world like dx11 was from dx9 but I highly doubt it since there's still a lot of games that don't fully use dx11 to it's potential. All in all it's just a gimmick like dx10.1 . | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number me OS Windows 7 Home premium 64bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 925 (Deneb) OC 3.4GHz Motherboard M5A78L-MLX Plus Memory 8192MB RAM DDR3 1600 Graphics Card XFX HD 6870 1GB (Connected via HDMI) Monitor(s) Displays Polaroid TLAC-02255 22" Digital HD LED TV and 17"LED Monitor Screen Resolution 1920x1080 60Hz / 1280x1024 60Hz Keyboard Microsoft USB Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 (IntelliType Pro) Mouse Logitech Optical Gaming Mouse G400 PSU CORSAIR CX600 600w Case AZZA Orion 202 EVO with 3fans and a corsair af fan Cooling cooler master hyper TX3 cpu cooler Hard Drives 500gb hdd 7200rpm Western Digital Internet Speed 5.22Mbps download 0.65Mbps upload Antivirus Comodo Internet Security Browser IE 10 |
04 Feb 2013
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#48 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Flintshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7 
Quote: Originally Posted by sparks72 
Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas 7
What I as well as many do indeed understand is that Windows 7 is extremely popular because it is designed to fit the specific needs of the desktop user and it does it extremely well. Not so with W8!
What you keep trying to sweep under the rug is that with W8, MS specifically targeted the mobile crowd in an attempt to cash in on Apple's market, and desktop users were left by the way-side. Touchscreens were not specifically designed for the desktop user. We were a mere afterthought, and were tossed a few table scraps by MS in hopes they could sell us a bill of goods.
Well no thank you. There's a whole lot of us out here who are not buying that bill of goods, and are not ready to trade in a great OS like Windows 7 for a one-size-fits all half hearted solution like W8.
If it fits your needs, great! But it doesn't fit ours.
There was a perfectly easy fix for that problem, but MS chose to ignore that.
I agree with you 100% Did you fill in the 'Why aren't you buying Windows 8' survey on the MS site a couple of weeks ago?
Errr, because I don't have a touch screen PC Mr Gates. It was clearly asking if I'd buy windows 8 if their were more Touch screen PC's out there..........TBH, after owning a WP7 (Missing simple things like copy & paste must have had Apple corp in fits of laughter) I was kind of reluctant to go anywhere near MS Metro style products......I'll stick to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.
No I didn't, I didn't know about it till reading your post! I'd love to have answered that survey! 
I think touchscreens for a desktop are as worthless as screendoors on a submarine.
First, how many people will be impressed with oily greasy smeared finger prints all over their nice big monitor? Yuck! You'd either spend half your time cleaning the screen or it would look filthy.
Second, who wants to spend hours with their hands up in the air finger painting on that dumb touch screen?
A mouse is designed for desktops, touchscreens are not, and W8 is designed and optimized for touchscreens.
Despite screw ups like Vista, I've always liked Microsoft, but W8 has brought all that into question. MS products have usually won me over many times in the past.
It's a shame you didn't see the survey, although it might have been aimed at UK / European customers
only.
I've tried but never owned Vista, we went from XP straight to Windows 7.
IMO If you want to see fail I suggest buying a WP7, After 2 years and a lot of updates WP7 made me turn my phone into a door stopper ... and at times a book end, oh and a phone to make and receive calls, not much use a smart phone really. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (3300.0 MHz) Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M LE (Intel H67 (Cougar Point) Memory 8 GBytes (Dual-Channel) Graphics Card ASUS GT610-SL-2GD3 Sound Card Intel Cougar Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller Monitor(s) Displays Xerox XM7-20w PSU G7 Power Extreme 680W Case Asus Cooling Case fan, CPU fan Hard Drives Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 |
04 Feb 2013
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#49 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |
You don't need a Survey the Sales and decline in market shares will reflect that
When people start to discover how disabled they are with certain features they will complain squeel and even call M$ for help the bottom line here is DX11.1 is a gimmick and if your someone who has common sense you will realize that in order for a upgrade to be worth it has to have a super sick advantage over the other Os which this time around they went to Kindergarden instead of a Longsession
Anyway most people that buy into metro are serious tap screen users smartphones etc... we all know it is geared for them
Microsoft swaying from there bread and butter was a bad idea what they should of done was made TWO versions of W8 One for the serious Desktop user that doesn't look like there was a whole lot of color time
and the W8Metro who prefer the Metro interface and the tab tab touch and all those apps you have to use just to do certain things a Pc has right out of the box
If they were only smart enough to do that both parties would be satisfied but they would need different update platforms that would be the only problem M$ would face
I have been working with Tablets and smartphones etc for the last few weeks trying to get them to do Pc style functions none the less it is a B**ch my new move was to create a vitual machine windows 8 on a tablet after that try to link it to my printer it's going to take some apps and some digging to make those devices compatible and that is why M$ should think a little more about there idea on this whole new craze | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
05 Feb 2013
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#50 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Flintshire |

Quote: Originally Posted by Solarstarshines You don't need a Survey the Sales and decline in market shares will reflect that
When people start to discover how disabled they are with certain features they will complain squeel and even call M$ for help the bottom line here is DX11.1 is a gimmick and if your someone who has common sense you will realize that in order for a upgrade to be worth it has to have a super sick advantage over the other Os which this time around they went to Kindergarden instead of a Longsession
Anyway most people that buy into metro are serious tap screen users smartphones etc... we all know it is geared for them
Microsoft swaying from there bread and butter was a bad idea what they should of done was made TWO versions of W8 One for the serious Desktop user that doesn't look like there was a whole lot of color time
and the W8Metro who prefer the Metro interface and the tab tab touch and all those apps you have to use just to do certain things a Pc has right out of the box
If they were only smart enough to do that both parties would be satisfied but they would need different update platforms that would be the only problem M$ would face
I have been working with Tablets and smartphones etc for the last few weeks trying to get them to do Pc style functions none the less it is a B**ch my new move was to create a vitual machine windows 8 on a tablet after that try to link it to my printer it's going to take some apps and some digging to make those devices compatible and that is why M$ should think a little more about there idea on this whole new craze With all due respect, the survey was asking why we in the UK hadn't purchased Windows 8. The most obvious reason being the extremely small amount of touch screen PC's available. MS knew this, that's why they asked the question in the survey. Your lucky in the USA, through no choice of our own we must be lagging behind most country's when it comes to the latest hardware. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i5-2500K (3300.0 MHz) Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M LE (Intel H67 (Cougar Point) Memory 8 GBytes (Dual-Channel) Graphics Card ASUS GT610-SL-2GD3 Sound Card Intel Cougar Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller Monitor(s) Displays Xerox XM7-20w PSU G7 Power Extreme 680W Case Asus Cooling Case fan, CPU fan Hard Drives Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8 problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:12 AM. | |