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Windows 7: Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8

25 Jan 2013   #1
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Direct X 11.1 not available for Win7, only Win8

This is being touted as one reason why we "have no choice" but to move quickly to Win8. It's astounding that MS doesn't care what the market verdict is on Win8 but intends to ram it through at the expense of their most popular OS and the only one which is selling strongly.

Microsoft won't bring DirectX 11.1 to Windows 7 | Microsoft - CNET News

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26 Jan 2013   #2

Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 
don't believe the hype...

As a huge gamer I'm not sure I, or most gamers will be missing much in the way of DX11.1. Let's not forget DX11 didn't exactly take off when first released. At any rate I can soundly say that "if" I move to 8, it won't be because I didn't have DX11.1 on Windows 7.

Anyway I find it funny, if not disingenuous if you will, that Microsoft is trying to "force" people to W8 because of DX11.1, when they haven't really done much to enhance PC gaming since releasing their Xbox.

Basically we have Microsoft telling gamers if you want DX11.1, move to Windows 8, yet at the same time not really supporting the PC platform because hey, that would take away sales from our Xbox gaming consoles. Hmmm... for some reason this clip comes to mind...

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26 Jan 2013   #3

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Hi there

I don't know much about gaming - but do you actually NEED DX11. Surely most Gamers use specialized GPU's in their systems and the Game manufacturers will surely ensure that their games run on these platforms.

I'll bet there's still loads of people Gaming quite happily on XP and XBOX presumably can have its own software in it too.

In any case I'd suspect that Touch is a decent component of modern gaming - and Touch is diabolical on Windows 7 -- on W8 the whole Touch implementation is STREETS better than Windows 7.

Don't get me wrong here --loads of facilities Windows 7 is still better suited for than W8 but for any form of Touch enabled devices Windows 7 is a DOG. Just compare those HORRENDOUS Windows 7 phones with the new ones -- even Nokia has got some brilliant W8 phones now.

Maybe you gamers should have a look at this.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...kes-windows-7/

Cheers
jimbo
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26 Jan 2013   #4

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I really do not understand this misconception people have about windows 8, it really is an excellent OS.
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26 Jan 2013   #5
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Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center 64 bit
 
 

I really do not understand this misconception people have about windows 8. They think that just because they like it everybody on the planet should like it as well. They just can't possibly understand why some don't like it. Personally it doesn't work for me on a desktop PC. I'm much happier with Windows 7 on a non touch enabled device. If I ever manage to get a tablet I'll be more than happy to run Windows 8 on it.


As far as Directx 11.1 goes, I personally don't see that as all that big a deal. I'm a gamer but I hardly ever have the latest and greatest video card or game for that matter. Unless you're cutting edge I don't see it as a big deal. Its certainly not something that is going to make me run out and buy Windows 8.
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26 Jan 2013   #6

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
I really do not understand this misconception people have about windows 8. They think that just because they like it everybody on the planet should like it as well. They just can't possibly understand why some don't like it. Personally it doesn't work for me on a desktop PC. I'm much happier with Windows 7 on a non touch enabled device. If I ever manage to get a tablet I'll be more than happy to run Windows 8 on it.


As far as Directx 11.1 goes, I personally don't see that as all that big a deal. I'm a gamer but I hardly ever have the latest and greatest video card or game for that matter. Unless you're cutting edge I don't see it as a big deal. Its certainly not something that is going to make me run out and buy Windows 8.
Hi there
actually if you read my posts I DID mention for some things (classic desktop apps) Windows 7 was fine -- but for others such as decent Touch applications --of which there are many new one's in the pipeline Windows 7 is HORRIBLE and W8 better for those type of apps.

You wouldn't use a Ferrari for driving around slopes of Volcanos to gather a lot of scientific data -- or you wouldn't use a push bike to win a Formula I race.

Tools for the job -- Windows 7 is better for some things, W8 for others.

New advances always bring new challenges -- some people are up to it - others just attempt to stick with what they have and like for as long as possible --fine if they have no need of newer stuff but imagine some of the advantages - like if you want to plot some graphs on a spread sheet imagine how nice it would be if you could just use touch to enclose the set of figures you want and drag into a spread sheet like app where the graph would be calculated and drawn --much easier than entering by hand a load of data into a spread sheet and having to apply all sorts of complex formulae to plot your graph.

I'd get my work done a load quicker with the new touch app (when its developed - and these type of apps are already on the developers benches) than with the classical desktop model. !

Cheers
jimbo
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26 Jan 2013   #7

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

New ideas is good but not always better. Just because someone sticks with the old one doesn't necessary mean their stuck in the mud. Just waiting for something better.
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26 Jan 2013   #8
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Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
I really do not understand this misconception people have about windows 8. They think that just because they like it everybody on the planet should like it as well. They just can't possibly understand why some don't like it. Personally it doesn't work for me on a desktop PC. I'm much happier with Windows 7 on a non touch enabled device. If I ever manage to get a tablet I'll be more than happy to run Windows 8 on it.


As far as Directx 11.1 goes, I personally don't see that as all that big a deal. I'm a gamer but I hardly ever have the latest and greatest video card or game for that matter. Unless you're cutting edge I don't see it as a big deal. Its certainly not something that is going to make me run out and buy Windows 8.
Hi there
actually if you read my posts I DID mention for some things (classic desktop apps) Windows 7 was fine -- but for others such as decent Touch applications --of which there are many new one's in the pipeline Windows 7 is HORRIBLE and W8 better for those type of apps.

You wouldn't use a Ferrari for driving around slopes of Volcanos to gather a lot of scientific data -- or you wouldn't use a push bike to win a Formula I race.

Tools for the job -- Windows 7 is better for some things, W8 for others.

New advances always bring new challenges -- some people are up to it - others just attempt to stick with what they have and like for as long as possible --fine if they have no need of newer stuff but imagine some of the advantages - like if you want to plot some graphs on a spread sheet imagine how nice it would be if you could just use touch to enclose the set of figures you want and drag into a spread sheet like app where the graph would be calculated and drawn --much easier than entering by hand a load of data into a spread sheet and having to apply all sorts of complex formulae to plot your graph.

I'd get my work done a load quicker with the new touch app (when its developed - and these type of apps are already on the developers benches) than the classical desktop model.

Cheers
jimbo
I totally agree with you, to a point. I don't use a touch screen on my desktop PC and likely never will. I find Windows 7 easier to use on that PC. There is nothing in Windows 8 that makes me want to spend the extra cash to upgrade my desktop PC. I have very limited finances as I live on a disability. It has nothing to do with wanting newer stuff, I just can't afford newer stuff. I'm sorry I dragged this thread off topic but it just irks me when people infer that there is something wrong with you because you rejected Windows 8. I should have just bit my tongue and kept my mouth shut.
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26 Jan 2013   #9

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Hi there
Nope don't keep your mouth shut !! Reasoned arguments are always valid - and of course in some circumstances like yours the choice isn't available in any case.

I do agree there are people who often say -- You MUST use this because it's better than the old stuff. And this is where it gets stupid.

Horses are great to ride - but for the majority of people the Car has supplanted the use of these for normal transport and powered ships have surplanted Sailboats - but the pleasure sailboats or horses give can't be explained to people who just want to take their car and drive it as fast as possible whatever the terrain or road conditions --what on Earth do these people do with the extra time when they get home -- just flake out watching some mind numingly boring reality show or the latest set of dysfunctional families on some TV daytime Soap.

My point was basically to say WHERE POSSIBLE look at the new and potentially extremely good stuff just beginning to become onstream and don't always say the existing stuff is better.

I remember years ago when it was regarded as a privilege to have a telephone (landline) in the house at all and you had to go on a waiting list to get one at all -- and that could take months !!! (almost as bad as waiting for a "Trabi" in the old E.Germany (DDR).

Nowadays almost everybody has a mobile phone - surely if people hadn't developed mobile communications some of us would still be using Carrier Pigeons for our mail and pieces of tin can tied with string for our voice communications - to say nothing of being able to use Forums like this on the Internet.

Here's a pic of the Old E.German Trabi -- had a leaky smelly two stroke engine and ran on Lawnmower Fuel. Bodywork was made out of PLASTIC too.

People had to put their names on a waiting list for these cars and some had to wait 17 years or more to get one --- as soon as a baby was born its name was put down on the waiting list for one of these "Cars" !!

I don't know if there are any people from the old DDR who read this Forum but I'm sure that those who spent most of their life "on the OTHER side of the wall" will readily agree that trying to get one of these "contraptions" was nearly an impossible task. In fact the first thing most of these people did as soon as the Wall came down was to get a "Proper Car" --as did most of the other people from E. Europe as soon as the old Soviets had "shut up shop".


Give me my "Beamer" any day. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo


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26 Jan 2013   #10

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. (On both machines)
 
 

Actually Jimbo, they were made of a compressed card material, something like very hard cardboard. I did not believe that, but during my service in BAOR and the FRG, I saw one. Apparently, after Reunification, they became THE car to buy, for a certain minority of "Art Pharts" in the West. Driving behind one meant not breathing in, until after you overtook. I asked a German friend what he thought they ran on. After a short pause, he said "Kartoffeln!" (Cabbages!)
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