| Windows 7: How SSD power faults scramble your data |
01 Mar 2013
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |
How SSD power faults scramble your data In a rush to run out and buy an SSD? Here's something you may want to consider since with every new technology there always seem to be... one or more things to learn?! Quote: Summary: Flash SSDs are non-volatile, so what could go wrong when power fails? A great deal, even on high-end "enterprise" SSDs.
We've got over 50 years experience with spinning disk in all kinds of conditions, ranging from notebooks to massive big iron arrays. SSDs, not so much. And boy, do we have a lot to learn. see full report
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01 Mar 2013
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) Adelaide |
Thanks Night Hawk Thanks for that info.
This probably explains why my friend's laptop is screwed up.
He has some weird power fault (if his laptop flexes, it switches off) and his SSD and OS are corrupted.
It's only 18 months old. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2) Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD6450 Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S23B350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
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02 Mar 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |
I've held off from buying any myself until the companies get all of the bugs worked out. Having used a number of flash drives which are based pretty much on the same technology I know they can be voilitile at times as well.
I guess for anyone who goes out and buys one the best advice is to always have a full system image backup or two just in case the poiwer goes out!  "data loss... data corruption... data lost... ..." | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
02 Mar 2013
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) Adelaide |
Backup SSD Image 
Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk I guess for anyone who goes out and buys one the best advice is to always have a full system image backup or two just in case the poiwer goes out!  "data loss... data corruption... data lost... ..."  Agreed.
Even though I've offered to "walk him" through the procedure, my friend refuses to do it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2) Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD6450 Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S23B350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24 |
02 Mar 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |
Even when working with mechanical drives too many times I hear about people losing a number of files or photos from not taking the time to take precautions like a good backup if not a full image backup. The Golden Rule of Thought has always been to back up the backup of the backups of the backup since there ever is any 100% fail proof method while frequent backups can save the day when any mishap appears!
With any new technology or not quite so new as most would believe SSDs are when in fact not since they have existed since the 90s the technology is still invulnerable to mishaps. The article brings up the issue of degradations of data and OSs when power is lost. I have seen blackouts, shorted supplied trip 20A breakers and never once lose a single file on a mechanical as a result while it appears SSDs are subject to compromises.
Once I got into 7 and found that the need for the old dual boot of two versions would no longer be needed the option for system images became automatic. For a laptop one thing I tend to check is the power plan's advanced settings for the power button itself. Whether SSD or mechanical when a friend reported it kept booting up in safe mode I took a look at his mom's Vista laptop and each time the F8 boot menu was appearing due to bad shutdowns.
The power button was set for sleep not shutdown and the kids would simply close the lid after hitting the power button where each day the F8 was coming up. You have to wonder if seeing that setting changed on your friend's laptop could be a help in preventing the irregular power outages since the battery is constantly draining when not shutdown fully. I noticed the Vista laptop was running too slowly likely from a weak battery despite having the ac cord plugged when going to check where the problem was on that one. The laptop was bought in late 2007. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
02 Mar 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 Pro-x64 South Texas |
Anyone that doesn't have every PC connected to a UPS is playing Russian Roulette. Black-outs, brown-outs, lighting, surges and noise on power lines are pretty common no matter where you live. All of these are like spinning the cylinder and pulling the trigger. They can all cause data corruption or hardware failure no matter what kind of disk drive you have. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built 2/11/2011 OS Windows 7 Pro-x64 CPU i7-2600 3.4GHz - 3.8GHz Turbo Motherboard Intel DH67BL-B3 Memory 8Gb - 2x4GB, Muskin 991770 PC3-1333 Graphics Card Integrated Intel HD 2000 Sound Card Integrated Intel 10.1 HD, RealTek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays Asus LCD VH222H, Haier HL24XSL2a Screen Resolution 1920x1080, 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech EX100 Wireless Mouse Logitech EX100 Wireless PSU Seasonic 650W 80+ Gold Modular Case Rosewill Defender Cooling Stock CPU, Four 120mm case fans, PCH fan added Hard Drives Crucial C300-128Gb,
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02 Mar 2013
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case New England |
That is a well known fact as well. Here I seen a few good ones knock power out for days as well as know what happens when a power supply shorts out! I used to test supply boxes(electrical) and watch the caps on the ac transformers smoke! BOOM! and there she goes! as everyone gathers around to watch the smoke rise from the well no ashes with ceramic caps that is!
On the present case the first board was cooked when the supply went! The 20a breaker went tripped showing just how fast and how much pull basic electricity can have. I still keep looking for surge protection strips that handle even more then the last now using some that will take a 2200 joules line surge.
A UPS can get very expensive at times and only provide a few hours of battery time where I can simply grab a 7 laptop if needed. The board being fried however was beyond what any UPS could do there being an internal mishap. How do you protect against a faulty supply that cooks a board? The data remained intact however as well as the drives. How an SSD might have fared is unknown but in that circumstance probably wouldn't have been effected either not like what others are running into however. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64, XP Mode, W8 RP VM, Linux Mint Debian 2nd OS HD- 7 Pro x64 second case CPU AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 on new mini tower Motherboard Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Memory Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Mushkin on 2nd build Graphics Card MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower Sound Card Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeGamer - Realtek onooard 2nd case Monitor(s) Displays 2 x Acer P191W 19" widesscreen - HP 20" widescreen mini towe Screen Resolution 1440x900 native - 1600x1024 on 7 Pro x64 build Keyboard Microsoft Recusa Razor - MS Comfort 3000 on second build Mouse MS Trackball Explorer - A4TECH dual scroll wheel trackball PSU Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second Case Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower Cooling Zalman CNPS9900A Hard Drives Primary Ultimate x64 build-
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 6.0 = 2
WD Black Edition 1tb Sata 3.0 = 2 (OS drives)
WD 1tb Green Power sata = 2 1 external
usb flash drives = 18
Second 7 Pro x64 mini tower-
WD Caviar SE 500gb sata II single drive presen Internet Speed 30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi |
03 Mar 2013
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#8 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |
Hi everybody
failures especially these days with SSD's are overrated -- I've had 6 SSD's for about a year now and NONE have gone defective.
In any case since the capacity of SSD's are relatively small and in general only used for storing things like OS'es on them so they should be backed up regularly.
However if the electronics DOES get fried then that's the same risk you have when using any piece of equipment that uses electronics -- even Aircraft suffer catastrophic power failures from time to time --try watching on National Geographic that excellent program "Aircrash Investigation" --especially just before making your next flight. (Fortunately though modern aircraft can usually recover from this situation due to backup systems and the EPS that is activated if all engines fail).
A typical Windows 7 or Windows 8 OS installation can be backed up in about 7 mins these days if it's on an SSD and you save the backup on to an internal spinner or even a USB3 external HDD. Backing up to an external USB2 drive will take a little longer but probably still take less than 25 mins.
You don't even need to do a daily backup as your OS is not (usually) likely to change very much from day to day.
Backup your other data of course too - and do it regularly -- if you don't you've only yourself to blame when things go wrong -- even if it's not your fault.
As for power outages etc -- the worst place I suffered that wasn't in some 3rd World Banana Republic hell-hole - but in a surprisingly wealthy part of LA -- I usually stay in the Santa Monica / Malibu area when I'm in LA - love Venice Beach etc etc -- but any time it rained you could guarantee you'd have a power outage or two. -- Fortunately rain isn't that common there though --but when it does --don't even THINK about using an umbrella.
Cheers
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03 Mar 2013
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#9 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Indiana/Florida U.S.A. |
Having only a laptop I don't really "have a dog in the fight" so to speak, but think jimbo45 is on the mark here. SSDs, from all I can find are at least as reliable as an HDD these days. ANY drive can go bad and/or lose data at ANY given time. Just the nature of things. If you don't have a back-up ready, then thats on you. If you are in situations that you think could involve a catastrophic data lose, then either back-up more often or turn your machine off if the data involved is that valuable. I'll be keeping my SSD and my normal back up procedures. (Nice article though) | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus G74Sx OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel i7 2670 Qm @2.20 Motherboard AsusTek G74Sx,1.0 Memory 16 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 560M -2040mb Monitor(s) Displays Generic Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 Hard Drives Crucial M4 128 gb SSD Internal/ 500gb Western Digital internal @ 7200 rpm (love the dual internal drives!)
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03 Mar 2013
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I have all my computers / tv system \ electronics connected to a 3.1 KVA ups . Will run everything for 2 1/2 hrs , but the back up natural gas generator does start in 12 seconds when the power goes out .. Everyone SHOULD buy a UPS , good advice .. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 CPU Intel i7 2600K Motherboard Asus P8P67 Memory 8 Gig ddr3 1600 mhz - viper extreme (Patriot) Graphics Card Nvidia 590 Monitor(s) Displays Lg 19 ", sony 42 " bravia Mouse logitech wireless PSU 1000 Watt Coolmaster : Silent Pro Gold Case antec 1200 Cooling watercooled Hard Drives one - Intel x25-M SSD
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