| Windows 7: Microsoft fined by European Commission over web browser |
06 Mar 2013
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#21 | | |
I think he is saying it is not easily removable and is pre-installed the same way some programs come bundled with others even though you don't want them. I don't think anyone wants to get a new computer without a web browser and have to manually download the browser through ftp: How To Download Firefox Without a Web Browser | Matt Silverman
that being said, IE can be either uninstalled or disabled in the Programs and Features. not sure which. | My System Specs |
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06 Mar 2013
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#22 | | win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
Straight Forward I should have the choice to install which ever browser I prefer. It is my right to screw up if I choose to do so. Is that a little more direct?
Thorensen, investigate and tell me how you can uninstall it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BGC (Bob's Garage Crew) OS win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 CPU I3770K Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe Memory G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000 Sound Card Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB) Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW224T (1) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS Wireless 3000 V2 Mouse MS Wireless 3000 V2 PSU CoolerMaster 1000 Watt Case CoolerMaster HAF X Cooling CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N Hard Drives SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
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06 Mar 2013
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#23 | | |
I don't have my Windows 7 in front of me, but in XP, you go to Add/Remove Programs then Add/Remove Windows Components. Select IE and it will disable it or uninstall it. I am not sure of which. I have not done in some time....
But it looks like it's possible (sort of) in Windows 7: Internet Explorer 9 - Uninstall How do I remove Internet Explorer from Windows as a troubleshooting step? Windows 7 Lets You Finally Uninstall Internet Explorer (Kinda) Uninstall, Disable, or Delete Internet Explorer 8 from Windows 7 How to uninstall internet explorer in windows 7
Edit: just so we understand each other, I am not arguing a point. I understand where you are coming from and these steps, disable IE, but due to it being used in different aspects of the OS, it won't be "uninstalled". Quote: Since Internet Explorer's rendering engine is also used throughout Windows and with third-party applications as an embeddable component, it won't completely uninstall—only the executable is actually removed. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
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06 Mar 2013
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#24 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
You cannot uninstall the IE. It is an integral part of the system. The only way to get rid of it is to slipstream the installation disc. Now try this on Joe Public.
I think the reason is because you need the IE for certain system operations and MS did not implement the support using other browsers. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
06 Mar 2013
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#25 | | win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
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06 Mar 2013
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#26 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead I agree kinda. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
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06 Mar 2013
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#27 | | win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
Ruh ROh Sorta | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BGC (Bob's Garage Crew) OS win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 CPU I3770K Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe Memory G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000 Sound Card Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB) Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW224T (1) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS Wireless 3000 V2 Mouse MS Wireless 3000 V2 PSU CoolerMaster 1000 Watt Case CoolerMaster HAF X Cooling CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N Hard Drives SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
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07 Mar 2013
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#28 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) Adelaide |

Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen 
Quote: Originally Posted by whs If somebody make a commitment and does not stick to it, do you let them get away with it ?? I agree that making a commitment and then breaking that commitment is what this is about and it is fully justifiable to hold them to it.
I guess my problem with all this is that MS should not have been forced to promote competitor's software in their OS in the first place. When they did agree to it, they should have stuck with it, but it was and is unfair to make them do this in the first place (just my opinion). Well they did implement the choice screen, but they mysteriously "forgot" that SP1 would break it.
I didn't agree with the original ruling, because I knew it wouldn't apply to any other companies.
These type of rulings in the US and Europe are always flawed, because they only apply to one company.
At the very least, it should apply to every commercial company in the same sector (e.g. Apple, Google and Red Hat).
When Intel did, what MS did (in the 90s) they should have been fined a lot more than MS, because Intel couldn't use the excuse that they didn't know it was "illegal". | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number n/a OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Windows XP SP3, Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) CPU AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz Motherboard ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3 Memory 8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2) Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD6450 Sound Card Realtek? Monitor(s) Displays Samsung S23B350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Mouse Wired Optical Case Tower Hard Drives Western Digital 1 TB (SATA), Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA) Internet Speed DSL Other Info Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
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07 Mar 2013
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#29 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |
Hi there
This is another one of those stupid EU regs -- Bashing Ms on this topic IMO doesn't warrant the waste of time and money the EU commission staff and their overpaid lawyers spend on this stuff.
There isn't anything to stop you installing whatever browser you want to. If people can't be bothered or are too lazy to find out if alternatives are available then that's THEIR problem.
Ms has NEVER SHUT people out of developing browsers if they want to. It's just sour grapes -- IMO look at Apple -- the EU has never had a go at them and they probably have the most proprietary and rigidly controlled OS on the planet -- they even had their own unique USB hardware connectors etc.
Anyway if I were Ms I just would have said -- I'm NOT PAYING so Go and make a sexual move with a duck --End of -- what would the EU have done --sent the Bailiff's in.
Cheers
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09 Mar 2013
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#30 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Any body has a choice on which browser or browsers they choose to use. It's never been hard to do. Market share shows that it done quiet often.
I Joe public can choose which browser he wants why can't Microsoft choose which browser to include or not include.
Budweiser doesn't sell a 6 pack with 4 Buds and 2 Millers so you or I could make a choice. We made our choice when we chose the 6 pack.
Ford doesn't make cars and give you a choice of engines from General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota. You made you choice when you chose a Ford car.
The E.U. is telling it's own citizens that they are not capable of making their own decisions on browsers without the governments help. That is a slap in the face of every citizen of the E.U. Next will be choosing toilet paper with the governments help only.
I think the citizens of the E.U. are fully capable of making such choices all by them self. Just like the rest of the world.
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Last edited by Layback Bear; 09 Mar 2013 at 03:10 AM..
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